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You may also note that the act was passed by an openly elected House of Commons, following a debate on both sides - for and against - over several years that was carried out in all of the newspapers (although it was then examined by an unelected House of Lords, but reform is coming). Does the Chinese government allow secret documents to be released in this fashion? Does the Chinese government even allow laws to be passed following such a process?

“YOU LIED TO THIS FORUM ABOUT DEMOCRACY, HUMAN RIGHTS AND FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACCESS in the so-called “Great” Britain to claim superiority of your culture over China.”

Asides from the little known fact that the ‘Great’ in ‘Great Britain’ carries the same meaning as the ‘Gran’ in ‘Gran Cayman’ (Britany is the small Britain - don’t blame us for this, it was the ancient Greeks who named our country!). I object to what you say here, I cannot see in which way I have lied - and I would like you to explain how exactly an act that was passed in 2000 to allow greater access to secret documents is proof that Britain is a secretive country. As for claiming cultural superiority - I did no such thing. I have lived in China and believe the culture there to be better than that of Britain in many respects. It is the government’s policy that I object to - policies whereby protecting the self-image of China is somehow more important than facing the reality.

As for the distinction between patriotism and nationalism - read George Orwell’s ‘Notes On Nationalism’ . Under Orwell’s definition a nationalist does not have to be a patriot, or even a national of the country or creed to which he (or less often, she) dedicates him or herself. He merely needs to mindlessly subsume himself in a larger body. In fact, in many ways, true patriotism is the best antidote to nationalism there is.

Like Hu Shi (胡适) said:

” 争你自己的自由就是争国家的自由，争你自己的权利就是争国家的权利。因为自由平等的国家不是一群奴才建造得起来的！” (trans) “Fighting for your own freedom is the same as fighting for your country’s freedom, fighting for your own rights is the same as fighting for your country’s rights. Because national freedom and equality cannot be made by a bunch of slaves!”

But then I suppose you would also give Orwell and Hu Shi ‘failed minus’ grades!

You are welcome. I think that will be better if we can communicate more and friendly. I’m glad that you have seen this notes there. Actually I think my English skill is not good enough to express. I wish I could be “Lee” or you who are fluently. I’m open and wish all of us are open with low sensitive. In this way, we can break the iceberge.

That’s the purpose.

I thought is mind-blocking. Noticed I did not use the word “mind- boggling” A lot of your observations of their culture, by your admission, are of foreign influence. I never alleged that. You admitted these to be true. Obviously, my earlier plea of “mens rea” have not sank in into you and maybe never will be. It is unfortunate but that is the way hysterical emotion will always rule rationality for some. My own thoughts are that of the late Deng Xiao Ping – when you opened the windows, some flies and insects will come in”. Live with that, and accept that as societal evolution and find its relevance in society in due course. Don’t point fingers when your own backyard has full of garbage and attracts even more stench and flies.

What is your view on this?

“Let me ask you a question we 1.3billion Chinese people Dalai lied to you and Western Media liedk, why you didn’t believe.”

As I have written elsewhere, I do not automatically believe everything I hear, and since there is little in the way of information from independent sources coming out of Tibet I can only balance what they say against what the Chinese government says. The Tibetans are happy to meet with foreign journalists, are willing to discuss matters openly, and operate mainly from India, a country with relatively free press - all of this means that I am more likely to believe them as they do not seem to have much to hide. The facts that they mention (heavy military crack-down, cultural repression, religious repression, torture etc.) agree with the little information coming from other sources unconnected to either party that comes out of Tibet. I do not lend any credence whatsoever to figures like 1.2 million dead, but the figure of 90,000 plus refugees resident in India alone is a UNHCR figure which I trust - even China does not dispute this figure.

Compare this to the Chinese government - constantly using insults like ‘wolf in monk’s robes’, describing the idea of Tibetan independence as a ‘不可告人的目的’, using 1984-style newspeak like ‘motherland-unity’, ’splittists’ and ‘Dalai clique’. This language is not that of people who are willing to enter into a debate. Add to this the fact that they are unwilling to answer questions from journalists, stir up hatred against western journalists operating in China, and - worst of all from the view of Chinese credibility - do not allow journalists into Tibet to freely collect the facts themselves. When asked why they do not allow journalists to enter Tibet the government tells foreign journalists (but not local media) that they won’t allow them (many of whom have reported from Lebanon, Afghanistan, Iraq and other war zones) that it is for their own safety. Simply put, the Chinese government hands out it’s own version of what is happening in Tibet and then prevents foreign journalists from confirming whether it is true or not.

As for the idea that 1.3 billion people had spoken to me, this is simply laughable. I might as well say that we in the outside world (that’s 4.7 billion people by the way) spoke to you and you didn’t listen - but this would be totally ridiculous as I cannot and will not claim to speak for 4.7 billion human beings. Nor can the media in the outside world. Nor can the media in China. Nor can anti-CNN.com

By the way, your quote comes from Josef Goebbels, the man who gave the infamous ‘Total War’ speech in the Berlin Sportspalast. I advise you to read the speech, it is a definite education in the way that communists, fascists and other totalitarians try to twist words to their service, to heap blame on scape-goats, and to whip people who have no other source of information into a brainwashed nationalistic frenzy.

Not to miss my compliment to you, you were “a graduate student in IP at University of London CCLS (part of Queen Mary) and a trainee patent attorney.” Congratulations, I assumed you did graduated with top honours from the University of London. Well actually, I was enrolled in the LLB (external degree program by correspondence course) from the same University but decided not to pursue. Not classy enough I thought then and let it pass. Neither did I sought a place in “elite” business school at London Business School, or INSEAD or Harvard Business School in search of knowledge and skills.After 30 years of struggling efforts, I finally graduated with a Doctor of Philosophy from the world famous University of Society. You will see that it is no comparison to a trainee patent attorney.

You didn’t seems to understand the words “mens rea” but you tried to impress me and this forum with your imaginary skills of administrative law. Your comment …”free media allows a generally accurate picture of life at all levels of society to be built up.” I actually did a little search on the internet and came across this informative website …http://www.cfoi.org.uk/ which has the following mind-blogging advice. Please allow me the indulgence to quote some of its cold ugly truths to tickle your unbalanced sense of truth and falsity.. It says……

“The Campaign for Freedom of Information is an non-profit organisation working to improve public access to official information and ensure that the Freedom of Information Act is implemented effectively. The Campaign was set-up in 1984……If you believe Britain is too secretive a society, please support our work by making a donation….If you believe Britain is too secretive a society, please support our work by making a donation.”

And under the country heading “Great Britain”, I found a legislative law called “Freedom of Information Act 2000. That must prove that Britain despite its world acclaimed bragging of human rights was and still is a very secretive society and it needed a law called Freedom of Information Act 2000 to be enacted so recently as year 2000 to regulate and control public information access to all institutions of British Government.

In this environment of veiled secrecy protected by British law, how could you Mr. Foarp claim here without blushing of shame that your society is one with…..”free media allow a generally accurate picture of life at all levels of society to be built up.”

YOU LIED TO THIS FORUM ABOUT DEMOCRACY, HUMAN RIGHTS AND FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACCESS in the so-called “Great” Britain to claim superiority of your culture over China. You might have succeeded in deceiving the uninformed readers of this forum from China but this one dead rotting cat of democracy and freedom of information fell out of the bag of lies.

As for the pervasiveness of brothels in Nanjing and London, you obviously have not heard about the English expression – prostitution is the oldest profession and it is as old as civilization. One is public , the other one is hypocritically hidden just like the Spitzer – Dupre notoriety. Oh please, Mr Foarp, spare me a little bit of hypocrisy for once, won’t you?

Don’t patronize me with your morals on prostitution in any culture be it China or UK – a topic of peculiar interest to you and which obviously occupied so much of your thoughts in this informed debate. On my book, it is a NON-EVENT and of absolute on significance anywhere on planet earth.

Your next comment….”Very interesting, you also like such as Joke or rumor. Any trustful source or evidence about this story?” You stole it from someone else to conceal a point I raised about the public moral hypocrisy of Tony Blair & Cherie Blair of apprehended fare evasion and the tantalizing Ms. Carole Caplin connection with Tony Blair.

You are obviously uncomfortable to discuss the hypocrisy of your human rights posture in this forum in condemning another culture when your own political institutions, government has been shown to be rotting to the core. But I still congratulate you for the fact that you did know how to spell correctly the words “cognitive dissonance” you asked of me. Perhaps you do not know what that means. It means self-contradictory mental thinking or conscious mental process which is uncomfortable of explanation or reconciliation of truth and falsehood. You are obviously too embarrassed of my line of probing, so you hypocritically quote someone comments to shield yourself of the need to explain. How shameful, Mr. Foarp?
Incidentally, the Tony Blair and Carole Caplin connection came from a recent very respectable foreign news publishing and has the following tantalizing pieces…..” Tony Blair “went bright red” when confronted about long massages he was receiving…….. Lord Levy, the Labour Party’s chief fundraiser, said he was forced to confront Tony Blair about the massages…. The main worry was Tony specifically, gossip within Number 10 concerning visits Carole was making to [Mr Blair's country home] Chequers…..”

Interesting that you should proposed that I am … rather than being a patriot, you are a nationalist only. For a native speaker of English, I grade you failed minus because you obviously have not heard of the word called “loyalist” which in the Cambridge dictionary says… a person or group that strongly supports the government or ruler in power.

I am not a national of China, so I cannot be a nationalist. I have also told you that I am not a patriot of Anti-CNN but a patriot of what this organization stood for.

And finally, you asked me “what have I done for China”. Well, I am a loyalist ever ready to defend their uncompromising reputation and impeccable integrity of nationhood, unfairly tarnished by hypocritical zealots like yourself, Creepy News Network and Big Bullshit Corporation. Do you object to my loyalty to truth in the face of your collective shameless falsehoods, Mr. Foarp?

It’s so nice of you to post a link to this page on the Anti-CNN Website. It looks like you are calling for backup. That’s fine. It isn’t the first time that someone on that site has linked to this site. Last time, there were three pages of people calling me names in the Anti-CNN forums. But my site traffic nearly doubled. You’re just bringing more attention to this website. Thanks again!

Nazi said “lies says 1000 times, it becomes the truth”, you seems like this statement.
Let me ask you a question we 1.3billion Chinese people said Dalai lied to you and Western Media liedk, why you didn’t believe.

Your logic is at the condition of non free media we could believe any rumor if it could be repeated 1000 times. I wonder which university professor told you that. I feel it’s surprised to me. I wonder if Bob or Ivan agreed with you. Is the prevalent principle of western sociaty?

What do you expect me as normal Chinese to contribute to our country? I think I should be same as most westerners. I work hard and pay my tax to my country.At the time of crisis, we donated some money to the disaster area.Is there any different from elsewhere? We are just normal people.

“It is the attempt to make out that all of China’s problems are due to foreign influence which is the most silly, self-deceiving and wrong-headed about your way of arguing. Lee, simply put, it shows that rather than being a patriot, you are a nationalist only.”
When you are using this way to talk, what’s the difference between you and “愤青”? Quickly jumping into conclusion, and using so many inconvenient words to talk. After all, I never said that the current Chinese problems came from western sociaty. I don’t want to label you like that, it’s not my character. I don’t like to use any Hat to any one, because I don’t think it’s correct method. Debate is debate, it should be based on evidence and convincible words. The above one label you “Ad hominem”is just shown an evidence to Ivan, I could use the same way to label others. I wish all of us don’t use this word.

We English also have a saying “He who lives in a glass house should not throw stones”, yes, the west is a ‘glass house’ as they say, because our free media allows a generally accurate picture of life at all levels of society to be built up.

“The red-light districts of London has got a far longer history than Nanjing”

You obviously know little about the history of Nanjing, in fact poets were writing poems about the brothels of the Confucius temple area in Nanjing before London was even the capital of the UK, and while Soho certainly has its share, you cannot find brothels operating opnely on almost every street of every city in the country in the way that you do in China.

“Very insteresting, you also like such as Joke or rumor. Any trustful source or evidence about this story?”

None, but then there is no free media in China, unlike that which exists in the west, so there is no way of confirming this - however, everyone I have met in China over the age of 21 has heard this rumour and the majority believed it. No smoke without fire as they say.

It is the attempt to make out that all of China’s problems are due to foreign influence which is the most silly, self-deceiving and wrong-headed about your way of arguing. Lee, simply put, it shows that rather than being a patriot, you are a nationalist only.

Let me ask again: what have you done for China?

I just learned the word “Ad hominem” from Ivan, I think this word is really suitable for you. Learning from Ivan, I put this hat on you. Sorry for that.