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Is China Ready for Barack Obama?
Posted in The Vance Report on 06/17/2008 11:23 am
“I don’t have a problem with black people,” a Chinese student recently stated in one of my classes. “It’s just that I don’t understand their language or their culture very well.” We were talking about the U.S. Democratic nominee Barack Obama who could become America’s first African American president in September if he can defeat the Republican nominee John McCain. Many of my students have followed the U.S. primaries, taking special interest in the recent battle between Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton. But now that Mr. Obama has finally clinched the nomination, some of my students have been candidly sharing their opinions about African Americans and blacks in general.
Most Chinese people with whom I speak on the issue of race say that they ”have nothing against black people.” But many of my friends and students do seem to ’buy in’ to some of the stereotypes of black people that have always existed. For example, a student recently told me that she “is a little scared of black people” because they are big and strong. Others have said that their black English teachers teachers were always kind but they often smelled bad. Still other students have said they have never really met a black person so they have no opinion of them. A few have even asked me about whether or not there are more black people involved in crime in the U.S. than white people. Some of the ideas behind this stereotype may stem from a recent shooting in my city in which a South African man was murdered because he owed the local ‘mafia’ money. Mostly though, my students tell me that they view ‘black culture’ as strange and a little mysterious.
As a teacher, I always try to help my Chinese students to understand that such stereotypes are unfair and can be perceived as racist. I explain to my students that there are many African Americans who have achieved great success in the United States. I talk to them about people such as Condoleezza Rice,:Michael Jackson, and actors such as Denzel Washington. But yet, when we talk about Barak Obama, some of my students seem to display incredulity at the possibility that the United States could very soon be presided over by a black man. It is not that they are against the idea; it is simply difficult for them to imagine such a scenario.
Why is it so difficult for them to conceive of a black man in charge of America? The answer is quite simple. When Chinese people think of America, they think of the color white. Chinese women use umbrellas in the sun to keep their pale skin while both Chinese men and women try to change their hair color to blond or at least something lighter. Chinese people know all about Bill Clinton, Bill Gates, Britney Spears, and the Backstreet Boys but not so much about Bill Cosby, Martin Luther King, and Oprah Winfrey. The fact that someone other than a white man could be sitting in the Oval Office come January seems to come as a surprise to many here.
The belief that racism is still very prevalent in America is another reason why some Chinese people have been ‘caught off guard’ by Obama’s success in the U.S. A young Chinese lady who was engaged to a foreigner told me recently that her parents were worried about her future in America because they had heard that “Chinese people’ and other minorities were treated as “third class citizens.” Whether or not such beliefs are true, many Chinese people are amazed that a minority person would ever have a chance at achieving the world’s most powerful position.
Some in China are willing to say of Obama words that few Americans would dare to utter in public. On Monday, an editorial in the the People’s Daily Online in China proclaimed that “one of the causes for the Western media to lavish overpraises onto Obama is owed to his (skin) color, and the other cause is the change that he may bring to American society.” This online newspaper, which speaks for the government, seems also to speak for the Chinese people. After all, the presidential election in the U.S. is a hot topic in China these days amongst the old and new generations. But it is not about Republicans versus Democrats. In fact, few Chinese people I talk to have any idea that there is even a man named John McCain who is also running for office. The discussion here is all about Barack Obama, the man who will be the first black president of the United States.
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06/17/2008 at 3:11 pm
Can you please explain how it is a “stereotype” that blacks are proportionally involved in more crime, especially violent crimes, than any other race? How is this belief a “stereotype” if it is supported by empirical statistics collected by local, state, and federal law enforcement agencies? (Not to mention innumerable private and for profit social agencies.) How is a “stereotype” if it is factually correct under any standard of evidence? No doubt, I’m sure you consider me a “racist” for even posing the question. Yet, it is by no means a fictitious belief that blacks commit more crimes, especially violent, in relation to their numbers in the general population. (Additionally, you might note that this trend holds true even for so called “white collar” crimes such as embezzlement, etc.) The fact is, you do a grave disservice to law enforcement in general and the crime victims in particular when you repeat the fallacious slander that to simply state the truth, blacks commit crimes far out of sequence to their numbers in society, is somehow “racist.” It is not. It is factual, it is evidentiary, and it is no more a subjective belief than that the earth revolves around the sun. Numerical statistics are not a “stereotype.” They are objective fact. As much as we may debate the reasons or causes, the fact of wildly disproportionate black crime is simply TRUE.
06/17/2008 at 9:20 pm
it was Clinton’s advisor first insinuated Obama’s skin color gives him extral advantages, not chinese newspaper. as a chinese I m not supprised at all he will win this election, he will probably sweep Mccain, it’s like prom queen v janitor in a popularity contest … but I wouldnt call him african-america though, Jessi is african-american, Al sharpton is african-america, Obama is white as a lily white bitch.
personally I dont think he would make a good president, at this point america needs a manager, not a prophet. if you talk about vision and persona I like Ron Pual way better, that’s a person who can command real changes, not just words, for better or worse…
06/17/2008 at 9:56 pm
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06/17/2008 at 10:15 pm
“Is China ready for Obama”???
Who cares????
“Why is it so difficult for them to conceive of a black man in charge of America? The answer is quite simple. When Chinese people think of America, they think of the color white”
And when people think of China, they think of Chinese, DUH!!!!
“Whether or not such beliefs are true, many Chinese people are amazed that a minority person would ever have a chance at achieving the world’s most powerful position.”
Yes and what are the odds that a white could be elected to head up China? a black? anybody not Chinese? The answer is a big fat ZERO.
“future in America because they had heard that “Chinese people’ and other minorities were treated as “third class citizens.””
China is one of the most ethnocentric and racist countries on the planet, far more than the US or any other so-called “white” country . They have no business accusing anyone of racism. They, unlike the USA, have no blacks, mexicans or others so NO understanding.
06/17/2008 at 10:22 pm
“Why is it so difficult for them to conceive of a black man in charge of America? The answer is quite simple. When Chinese people think of America, they think of the color white.”
Actually, it’s not the Chinese who think this, but other nations around the world as well. Part of that is that there has not yet been one African-American (substitute American with any other country) ever elected as the leader of a Western nation.
You would probably be hard-pressed to find any leader who was racially quite different from an overwhelming ethnic majority of a specific country. I can personally think of one, but it’s not the best of examples (hint: Peru).
06/17/2008 at 10:52 pm
Writer: What planet are you from? Why in God’s name would any freedom loving, God-fearing, hard working white person vote for Obama?! He does not represent them in any way, shape or form. You are deluding yourself to think that this piece of human feces will be Prez. Chinese do not like (or take as spouses) blacks because they, unlike many brain-dead whites, can still see and reason, and understand that blacks, in any country in which they are located in any numbers sufficient to form a gang or community, cause nothing but crime and destruction. They are culture destroyers, not culture enhancers……PERIOD. When the Chinese eventually move into Africa, which they will, you will see how kindly they treat the natives (as they roll over them with tanks).
06/18/2008 at 2:41 am
American said,
The fact is, you do a grave disservice to law enforcement in general and the crime victims in particular when you repeat the fallacious slander that to simply state the truth, blacks commit crimes far out of sequence to their numbers in society, is somehow “racist.”
@American,
I think you need to read what I wrote a little closer, my friend. I simply said that I told my students that suggesting that more blacks are involved in crime than whites can be “perceived as racist.” What perhaps I failed to make clear in my article was that was that because my students hear that more blacks in America commit crimes than white, they are naturally a “little afraid” of black people. That, my friend, is a stereotype and borders on racism.
Required said,
it was Clinton’s advisor first insinuated Obama’s skin color gives him extral advantages, not chinese newspaper.
@Required,
Yes, a few people have made similar comments in the U.S. They were practically never heard from again. The point is, the People’s Daily was not quoting Clinton’s adviser. It was stating its own opinion. Who cares who came up with it first? I will not be voting for Obama. I am not a supporter. However, I do believe that there is much more to the man than his skin color. He obviously has great leadership qualities and has the ability to ‘rally’ the nation. Too bad your People’s Daily doesn’t see it that way.
@Demerzel,
You make some good points. I agree that this is not just a Chinese phenomenon. However, since I am currently living in China, I thought it would be interesting to find out what people here think about Mr. Obama. Thanks for your comments
@John,
Thank you for showing us how a true racist thinks.
06/18/2008 at 6:26 am
I still remember my ex-foreign teacher (white, from the USA) told me and other students that more black people are involved in crime than whites.So they don’t have a good fame in the USA. And the most important thing is not many Chinese people know the blacks very well, but we hear a lot from the foreigners, so in fact, the foreigners put the first impression of the blacks to the Chinese. interesting~~now another guy from the USA( probably a white guy) come up and questioning our Chinese people if we are racists ?!( if this guy doesn’t think so, why did he ask if we are really for the black president?) Just think of what the white Americans had done to the black people in history, do they have the prestige to point at others saying racism? I can tell you the truth that we don’t care much about which color will it be. we only care about if the president will be a good president,especially whether he can do well for the relationship between China and the America.
06/19/2008 at 12:05 am
“Is China Ready for Barack Obama?”
China foreign policy is “don’t interfere with other countries’ internal affair and respect to other countries’ own decision”. So China respects to whoever to be the president of US. For China, it is always ready.
Personally I wish the president could make the world more peaceful and stable. Don’t declare another such as “Iraq War”. Bush is the worst president I have ever seen. It doesn’t matter he is black or white, as long as he could do better for the world, he is the good president. If he could, I admire him. If he couldn’t , I despise him like I despise Bush.
We Chineses are glad to see after 40years of Martin Luther King’s movement, the human rights of Black people in US has really been improved a lot as Obama is running for president. That’s victory of all black americans for their human rights movement. And it’s also the victory of all human beings.
06/19/2008 at 1:34 am
@Robert Vance,
Quite so, and I then proceeded to ask on my Chinese written blog (not my English on on China) what they thought. Ironically, the only negative aspect came from my wife… lol.
@Heather,
It reminds me of this riddle: One brother always tells the truth, the other always tells a lie. You have one question, what do you ask?
06/19/2008 at 4:07 pm
Conderning the attack on John, once again the writer of this article proves his disconnect between the real world and what he has seen on “Multi-Cult” operated television.
Specifically, since you are so supportive of black governance, I challenge you to defend your claims. Not with “smear words” or lamentations about how unenlightened we all are, but with real world factual evidence. Is Rhodesia (now “Zimbabwe”) better under European rule or Black Rule? The country is literally starving to death, after having killed off the European farmers, inflation is at roughly 1,000,000%, and the once “bread basket of Africa” is now widely recignized as one of the most despotic regimes on the contient. How about South Africa? In only fifteen years a once “First World” nation of scientific achievement, first class infrastructure, and functioning economy has ruptured entirely to become a place riddled with gang violence, unpunished mass killings, and disease. Yes, I can hear you now, “Even death is preferable to living under ‘racism’…” This, of course, ignores that fact that for all of the decades of European rule in South Africa the main problem at the border was with Blacks trying to ENTER the nation. (Notably, Black ownership of cars, homes, and degrees of higher education has far higher under the “racist” European rulars of South Africa than anywhere else in the world. Period.) So, writer, I am waiting on your example. In fact, all the world is waiting on just ONE example of a nation faring better under Black rule than European rule.
Finally, as for being afraid of Blacks due to their exceedingly higher crime rate being a “racist” response, please explain? If you go to a casino that is crooked 40% of the time, are you “racist” against that casino because you don’t want to play there? Of course not. You simply know the odds are way out of favor as compared to a casino in which the odds against you are only 5% or 10%. Self-preservation by means of emperical analysis is not “racist.” Moreover, you continue to baffle me with your steadfast ability to be obtuse regarding the word “sterotype”. That Blacks, on average, commit more violent crimes and that therefore one should be more cautious than when dealing with say, Esquimos who have a very low rate of violent crime, it is simply not a “sterotype”. A “stereotype” is an unfounded belief based on a false assumption. To assume that a member of a clearly defined group who is exceedingly violent MAY cause a greater danger to you, is NOT a “stereotype”. Unless, you simply redefine the word. Incidentally, under the rubric you are apparently using, the entire Insurance Industry in all countries are both “racist” and “stereotypical” because they both use metrics based on such analysis to determine rates.
06/19/2008 at 8:54 pm
You are truly despicable. Telling Chinese students, especially Chinese women, that blacks do not commit more crimes on average (as detailed by national, state, and county level police organizations) is tantamount to murder.
You are risking someone’s life.
06/19/2008 at 8:57 pm
China is one of the most ethnocentric and racist countries on the planet
Actually China is probably the least racist country on the planet, but they are also very politically incorrect- i.e they say that it’s degeneracy when people commit crimes regardless of their race, not “centuries of oppression”.
06/19/2008 at 9:54 pm
@An American,
I do not think that you have ever lived in China nor do you know much about how people here do view black people. I was not as harsh as I could have been when I was describing the attitudes that people here have about blacks. I had a friend recently tell me that “most people in China do not like black people.” Of course the crime rate amongst black people is higher than the crime rate amongst white people in the US. I was not attempting to say that I was disputing that statistical fact with my Chinese students. I think that this particular group of sentences that I wrote in the article were not clear and I apoligize for that. I was simply trying to say that I am trying to help my students understand that not all black people are involved in crime and that in fact there are many who have been very successful. You are right. The stereotype is not found in the statistics. The statistics speak for themselves. However, to assume that all black people (or even most) cannot be trusted based on those statistics is not right.
Since you are ‘crucifying’ me on two sentences that I wrote which could have been clearer, I don’t think you should have any problem with me branding John a racist for writing that “in any country in which they are located in any numbers sufficient to form a gang or community, cause nothing but crime and destruction. They are culture destroyers, not culture enhancers……PERIOD.” Come on now…you agree with that?
@Face Reality,
If I was in fact telling my students that, you are right…I would be despicable. Again, I did not make myself very clear in that particular paragraph. I am only attempting to help my students understand that not all black people are involved in crime in the US and that black people have made great contributions to our country. If you have a problem with that, I am sorry. I am not going to let my students believe that they can never trust or become friends with black people.
06/20/2008 at 1:14 pm
Actually every single group of people has a higher crime rates than Japanese and Chinese people. The crime rate of most majority-black cities in America are about 40-50 per 100,000 for murder; while Hong Kong, Tokyo etc are at 0.5-1 every 100,000. In South Africa it’s even worse, with the rate for rape being HUNDREDS of times higher than in China.
This is absolutely intolerable to Confucian society. I’m not even going to touch on all the hate crimes blacks commit against Asians in all countries where they are put together.
This is why I’ve come to doubt “multiculturalism”, because it teaches dangerous lies about the truth behind race.
06/20/2008 at 2:45 pm
I’m was afraid this was going to be a popular mindset amongst many Chinese back in the main land. I work with a lot of Chinese ppl in my profession(Graphics Designer) and I get the impression they have had preconceived notions about black people that aren’t the greatest. I’m black myself, but I have gotten some of them to open up about this and it seems things are stacked against someone like me if I ever visit the place. But the more I read stuff like this the more I would not consider visiting the place.
I wont pretend either that the stats are not true, because I can admit they are probably right, but to say a majority of black people are shady or untrustworthy is so wrong.
06/20/2008 at 8:27 pm
Face Reality said,
This is absolutely intolerable to Confucian society. I’m not even going to touch on all the hate crimes blacks commit against Asians in all countries where they are put together.
This is why I’ve come to doubt “multiculturalism”, because it teaches dangerous lies about the truth behind race.
@Face Reality,
I agree with you about the dangers of multiculturalism. Like most college graduates, I was subjected to ‘liberal brainwashing’ in my political science and social studies classes. I was told (by white teachers) that I should feel guilty simply because I had been born a caucasian. It was preached to me that whether I knew it or not, I was oppressing blacks and other minorities just because I was white. The same could also go for my sex. Since I was a male, I should feel guilty, because I naturally oppressed women. I was told that if I truly wanted to act in a multicultural way, I needed to admit my guilt and live my life trying to make up for my shortcomings. Fortunately, I did not fall for these liberal sermons because I was brought up to believe that it doesn’t matter what color my skin is; I, as an individual, can make choices about how I treat other people. It doesn’t depend on my skin color.
While “multiculturalism” may be overblown in America these days, I do think that there is a bigger need for it in China. Until recently, there really has not been a lot of diversity in China. Sure, there are 56 different ethnicities here, but many of these people look and act the same as the Han Chinese, especially since the Chinese government has put so much effort into ‘making everything and everyone’ the same in China. Unfortunately, in my experience, those ethnicities that do look or act differently, are often treated differently. Now, there are more people from other countries coming into China to do business and make a home for themselves here; Filipinos, Africans, Russians, Indians, etc. From what I have observed, most of my Chinese friends already have preconceived notions about these people and treat them differently or even badly. Many of my friends tell me that “we have never known anyone from these countries so we don’t really don’t know what to think about them.” In other words, many Chinese people simply do not know how to deal with people from other cultures because they have so little experience. Don’t you think that some ‘multiculturalism’ would be helpful here?
A healthy dose of multiculturalism doesn’t have to involve telling students that they should trust everybody regardless of their skin color. Of course there are devious black people out there just as there are wicked white people. But just as America is ‘multiculturalist’ to an extreme, China seems to be devoid of ‘multiculturalism’ to an extreme. Learning how to treat other cultures and accept differences is important. I don’t claim that this job falls on my shoulder as an English teacher, but I can do a little at least to help my students understand that not all black people are bad!
06/20/2008 at 8:34 pm
Canadian said,
But the more I read stuff like this the more I would not consider visiting the place.
@Canadian,
Thanks for your comments. I hope that this article will not deter you from coming if you have the desire. If there is one thing that Chinese people do well, it is to put their best face forward. For example, everyone here claims they “hate Japanese people” but when they actually encounter a Japanese person, Chinese people will often go out of their way to make that person feel welcome. I think deep down inside, many Chinese people are very curious about other cultures. It is for this reason that I never actually accused Chinese people of racism towards black people. I have never heard a Chinese person say that black people were ’stupid’ or anything close to that. As I mentioned in the previous comment, I think that some of the attitudes and stereotypes here are simply a result of people who have not had a very good dose of ‘multiculturalism.’ They need some.
If you came to China, you might just have to do what you already mentioned. That is, getting people to open up about their conceptions of black people. I have a few black friends in this city who are doing quite well here. They seem to be happy and have very few problems although they seem to have a hard time right now finding jobs. Anyway, I wish you luck and I hope you have the chance to visit sometime.
06/21/2008 at 4:05 am
I am a white American man, born, raised and still living in Los Angeles, California. I know both blacks and Asians (esp Chinese) fairly well. Neither group is admirable, or in any way necesary to the success and quality of life of whites (although many of us do like Asian cuisine). Blacks, however, are infinitely worse in every conceivable manner, and no other racial group (except a deranged subset of self-conscious white “anti-racists”) likes them - and even the white “oneworld” types won’t actually live near blacks (which makes their hypocrisy all the more bizarre and execrable). Asians cannot stand blacks (though we are starting to see increasing interracial dating between black males and Oriental females - probably some sexual perversity on the latter’s part; there is far more dating between whites and Asians, however). Of course, not all blacks are criminals, any more than all Arabs are jihadists. But most terrorists today are Muslim, and most violent American criminals are black. These are simply facts.
In the long run, though, I fear the Chinese far more than any Africans. The latter are stupid, destructive and perpetually disorganized (though of course lacking in all ethics, and so stronger in brute racial character than whites - as demonstrated by the recent, predictable bloc voting by blacks for their co-racialist Obama). The former are intelligent, disciplined, clear-headed, and not about to commit national or ethnic suicide, as the white nations of the Earth are doing. China will certainly never let itself be overrun by inferior aliens from the Third World - or anywhere else!
I expect to live until some point in the 2050s, at which time I also expect China to be the globe’s ’sole remaining superpower’, the pathetic US, so magnificent when dominated by strong and proud white men like me, having thoroughly succumbed to the twin killers of immigration invasions and egalitarian race-denial. The only real question will be whether and how the white race itself will still exist in a century - or less.
06/21/2008 at 4:36 am
I have a policy of allowing ALL comments to be posted on this website unless they contain profanity or graphic sexual descriptions. With that said, I am absolutely appalled that this article has attracted so many racists. Unfortunately, it was posted on a couple of racist websites (which shall remain unnamed) which is why we are getting some of these unabashed ‘black’ haters.
I hope that some of you who have criticized me can understand now why it is important to help Chinese students understand that not all black people are criminals or ’stupid.’ Many of them are being taught to think this way by people just like the man who posted just before me. Is this what you really want Chinese people to think before they come to America? Such racism is sickening.
06/21/2008 at 11:19 am
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06/21/2008 at 1:10 pm
“I do think that there is a bigger need for it in China.”
I wouldn’t say that. Immigration is totally pointless- China has enough people as is and already is very diverse. You might just be in the cities where everyone is “modern” (i.e cultureless, Westernized crap). Elsewhere people tend to adhere to their old cultures.
06/21/2008 at 1:12 pm
so magnificent when dominated by strong and proud white men like me,
You obviously weren’t all strong and proud if you needed black slaves to labor for you and then decided to open the floodgates to satisfy the corporatocracy.
06/22/2008 at 3:36 am
To Robert Vance @20:
I made a number of ethnographic and sociological observations in my comment above. Can you actually refute any of them? Of course not - you know it and so do I. Clearly, you are one of those weak, ‘anti-racist’, self-hating whites to which I referred.
Could you explain your anti-racism to me? Why does the making of unflattering, but true, remarks about non-whites bother you? Why are you “appalled”? Shouldn’t you be “appalled” at the truly appalling behavior of blacks, in the US and everwhere else, and not at those whites, like me, resentful of it? Are you a criminal? If not, why make excuses for criminals (or their racial apologists: Barack Obama, Jeremiah Wright, Al Sharpton, etc ad nauseam)? If you are a member of the white race, aren’t you concerned with its preservation, welfare, and future success? Don’t you think it strange not to be? I confess, I might perhaps have been (barely) able to understand white ‘antiracism’ before the “civil rights movement”; after 45 years of nation- and quality of life-killing racial integration, I am utterly bewildered that ANY white is NOT a racist. Do you actually believe that the presence of integrated blacks (and other minorities) improves thelives of whites? How? Better, how could you? It’s just too bizarre!
It seems to me that the West has had its little experiment or fling with the daily joys of nonwhiteness, and that everywhere it has proven an expensive, annoying, and often lethal failure. That any white today worries more about racism in his own racial ranks, than about alien racial aggression and white governmental appeasement of same, is remarkable, even mindboggling. I really wish someone could explain so “foreign” a mindset to me.
06/22/2008 at 4:17 am
Let’s face it, Mr Vance. The average black IQ is 85. That’s 15 points below the average white IQ of 100 and only a dozen or so points away from mental retardation. Blacks also commit more than half of the crime in the US, even though they only comprise about 12-13% of the population. (Whoever said blacks were underachievers?)
I gather that some of the word on the street re: black intelligence comes Chinese involvement in Africa where the average black IQ is about 65-70. Many Africans believe in witchcraft. Note the recent spate of “penis stealers” in the news.
As to your point whether all blacks are criminal or stupid, I agree. Yes, they are not all criminal or stupid. Occasionally, one will come across a black with an IQ of 100 or more. However, it is extremely rare and akin to spotting unicorns.
Imagine if we were to return all American blacks to Africa. Overnight, crime would drop in half and so would illegitimacy and welfare dependency.
One final thought: I’m sure I’m not the only one who noticed the stark difference in human behavior between the New Orleans and Iowa floods. Why wasn’t there any looting and rioting? The answer is black and white.
06/22/2008 at 12:50 pm
@ Leon and Hammer of Thor (since you both seemed to ‘chips of the old block’),
I imagine there really is little point in arguing with you two. I am guessing that you both arrived here through one of the highly racist and inflammatory websites that linked to this post. That’s one of the interesting (and sometimes scary) aspects of blogging. You never know who’s going to attack you. Sometimes, it’s a complete surprise.
Yes there is more crime committed by blacks than by whites in the U.S. Yes, there was a difference in human behaviour between the New Orleans and Iowa floods. No one can deny that. But what makes you two so ‘despicable’ is that you truly seem to believe that it is the ’skin color’ that causes these differences. Instead of acknowledging the social factors that play into these differences ( the impact of slavery which is still being felt today, the utter lack of any real ‘black’ leaders in the US to help lead their people out of the mess, opressive and racist attitudes like yours, etc), you want to lead us to believe that because someone has dark skin, they are stupid and useless. These attitudes are sickening and are founded in deep hatred and delusion. Hammer of Thorn, you obviously have no evidence to support your wild claims about IQ amongst black people. That is typical racist ‘propaganda’ that has no evidence to along with it.
Leon Haller, you ask me “why does the making of unflattering, but true, remarks about non-whites bother you?” Because, I, unlike you, actually have black friends! I take these remarks personally. Some of the smartest and most eloquent people that I knew in college were African Americans. Some of the most educated people I know here in China are from African countries! Do you know any Black people? How could you? With attitudes like these your only friends are probably pompous and racist white guys like yourself.
You both are completely blinded by your hatred. And you know what’s scary? You both probably come off as really nice guys. I can tell by the the civilized way in which you write your posts. I know your type. I’ve spent a lot of time in the South. I knew nice guys down there who went to church every Sunday, gave to the poor, and never cheated a person in their lives but they talked about and treated black people like animals. You want to talk about a scary culture. You guys and the rest of your racist white friends make up the most fearsome culture in America. The African American culture has come a long way since slavery ended but you guys never change. You’re part of the problem.
Hammer of Thorn said this,
“Imagine if we were to return all American blacks to Africa.”
Robert Vance says this:
I have a different imagination. Let’s send you and your type out of the country and see what happens. I bet you the results would be alot more desirable.
06/22/2008 at 1:02 pm
@Vance
It’s sad to see a nice site get so many racists/purists commenting here, but alas that is the aspect of free speech and it is commendable for you Vance to be standing up to them to show to your students how virulent these people can be and showing some of the downsides rather than blocking them out and stating how the US is perfect.
Btw, to me the US is not an extreme on multi-culturalism, but in fact needs more of this through more diverse populations. That said, the spouting that whites are at fault of everything to me is not a belief of multi-culturalism, but a twisted version corrupted by extreme political correctness. Likely a difference in how we define the term, but just thought to note that.
06/29/2008 at 12:00 am
In response to comment No.1,apparently you are refering to statistics that pertain to criminals who steal the goose off the common.Have you check the statistics on criminals who either steal ,poison,or kill not only the goose but the very common that it inhabits.
07/01/2008 at 10:32 am
Thanks for standing up to these morons Mr. Vance. This venom that they spew is born out of pure hatred.
What these guys don’t understand is that evil is indefinite and there will always be someone or group to hate. If only we got rid of this group… if only we got rid of that group… It will never end… there will ALWAYS be someone to hate.
They actually have some people in America brainwashed and believing this foolishness. Again, good job….
07/01/2008 at 10:17 pm
@Rich,
Thank you for your comments. As I remarked earlier, I was a litle stunned by these attacks. I am used to being attacked on this website but I usually know from whence the attacks will come. I agree with you that some of these people literally survive on hatred. Even if there was not one single black person in America, I am sure these kinds of people would single out a group of white people and bash them. Fortunately, I do not believe that these ‘racists’ represent America in the least bit. However, one thing does concern me about these rants. While I am not a supporter of Barack Obama I do fear for his safety now and if he should become elected President. I think some of these guys (and not necessarily anyone on this board specifically) would see it as their duty to make sure that the white race continues its rein in America. It’s a troublesome thought…
07/03/2008 at 6:11 am
Wow you should have your teaching license revoked and banned from ever becoming a teacher again for LYING to your students that blacks don’t commit more crimes, Every study goes against your statement, you must be living in politically correct dream world. You’re also risking somebody’s life.
07/03/2008 at 8:08 am
@Sciath
Congratulations for repeating what someone else already said. You pretty much said the same thing that Face Reality said in comment 12. How about an original thought? Did you even bother to read the comment section where I clarified what I wrote in the post? Probably not. You probably arrived here like others from some racist website that you like to hang out on. And, you’re a little late to the party, my friend. This article was published on June 17th and here it is July 3rd, but since you probably didn’t even read the article, you wouldn’t know that would you?
07/03/2008 at 1:34 pm
thanks robert, i never believe d that racism do exist up to this level of insanity, i wish you the best trying to re educate racists.i m black myself, and i m proud to be black, yes i do accept some of the facts stated here.it is as a result of this kind of hatred that push many blacks or other people to be involved in crimes.if from the on set everything was equal, i dont think africans should be involve in criminal acts than other races.the problem is inequality which is a societal problem.
as to the chinese, i live in china, chinese are actually racist , but this come as a result of ignorance, first of all i will call on the chinese government to make an apology on this, the communist often use africa as a model for propaganda, telling chinese that they are better of than those black people and shouldnt complain , it;s just of recent that cctv could show something good about africa,all images from africa or news were only on negative things, as a result chinese think and find africa a mysterious place, secondly chinese think that dark skin stands for poverty because u spend your time working in the field as a farmer so your body becomes dark,how ever some chinese do understand that this is not true.some guys teaching in china also help to promote racism against black people by telling all sort of lies about blacks, the best teachers in china are not whites, africans do far better than white guys, but ignorant and mean as some chinese could be, they tend to believe in white supremacy and making a fool out of them selves. presently many foreigners are having problems with visas, but africans are suffering the most, they cant even renew or extend their visa and the simple reason given is they are terrorist. how did africans become terrorist in the place of bin laden and co.?
On the other hand i do blame my black brothers and friends for not doing the right things,we shouldntkeep on blaming the whites for our woes we should prove to the world that we are africans and we are able like others.we did in china and we can do it everywhere,though later on in china many crimes were committed by blacks there by tarnishing the good image we gave the ignorant chinese hosts.how ever the problem is whites in china do commit heinous act but a chinese will dare not say anything because he or she thinks that a white is supreme,i have a friend a white he fought with some local chinese, and i was trying to stop the fight but what happened at the end was , news went around town that the balck teacher fought with some guys and the police came to ask me about this, .i was very angry until my american friend the white guy stood up to say no ,it ;s unfair to accuse me , that he did it not me but this is the scenario almost everywhere , whites commit crimes blacks are punished… where are we heading to…..?????all race are liable to commit crimes what about other races , yes blacks are criminals, when you will push us to wall , what bin laden is doing is nothing. i do not support killings for what so ever reason, but we create fear and live in fear , why ??????
07/03/2008 at 10:36 pm
It is amazing how uninformed you people are about crime statistics. The FACT is that Blacks are CONVICTED of crimes at a greater rate than any other ethic group in the US. That FACT accounts for the reason why Blacks are over-represented in the prison poplulation, which the crime stats being thrown about represent. So these are not actual crime stats, they are CONVICTION stats…
If you consider drug crimes for example…A person caught with Crack will generally be given a harsher sentence than a person caught with powdered cocaine. This may seem irrelevant, but when you consider that crack is derived from cocaine..i.e. SAME DAMN DRUG. Then why are users or people dealing different kinds of the same drug treated differently? I dont know the answer to that but I do know that for the most part, crack is used by poor people..blacks in the US are also over-represented in this group, while cocaine is used by the wealthy, white people are also over-represented in this group. What happens as a result of this is that blacks and other people of color are given harsh sentences (convicted) for possessing 1/10th of the same drug (crack) that a wealthy person will be able to get a great attorney and walk away with community service and a warning not to do it again.
The stats you people mention assumes that the justice system in the US is fair and unbiased so if someone is convicted of a crime they are guilty of the crime. We only need to scratch the surface and stop being lazy and do a little research to find out how many people are being released on a daily basis because a decent attorney working pro-bono looked at the evidence that was used to convict innocent people and is astounded by the fact that this person was convicted in the first place.
Also with certain attitudes toward black people are all over this country, including the police force, prosecuters, teachers , lawyers, doctors, judges, etc….Of particular concern is people in the police force who for the most part only need a high school diploma to join. Now let’s think for a moment of how much you knew about the world, other cultures, other races when you left high school. I knew little. Yet these people are given weapons and a boatload of power and sent on the street to police us.
Seriously people…do a bit of research before posting falsehoods here. If white people in the US were the ones who were marginalized in this country the crime stats being thrown about here would look much different and all of you would be asking “what is hell is wrong with white people and why do they commit so much crime?”.
And for the person who is/was a teacher in China: Do some research before you “inform” people who know little about Black people about Black people. When your students brought up black people commiting so much crime in America, you should’ve used it as an opportunity to explore this misinformation by doing some research with them to see if this was true. ALL of you would’ve learned from it.
07/04/2008 at 1:25 pm
@espero,
You said “as to the chinese, i live in china, chinese are actually racist , but this come as a result of ignorance, first of all i will call on the chinese government to make an apology on this, the communist often use africa as a model for propaganda, telling chinese that they are better of than those black people and shouldnt complain , it;s just of recent that cctv could show something good about africa,all images from africa or news were only on negative things, as a result chinese think and find africa a mysterious place, ”
I have to comment on it. For 40 years, I haven’t heard any racist comments from government or TV or Radio or Newspaper about African or Africa american. I have been knowing all the time that Chinese government opponents against racist and support the movement against apartheid and supported the movement of Afica indepence from colonism. I wonder how you could say something like that. That’s not fair. Chinese government has its own problem. But at this issue, its standpoint is very clear. Wish you able to find more materials or information to support your points.
There are some individuals who have the racist thinking. It’s normal like other countries too.
07/04/2008 at 5:31 pm
@Espero,
Well said, my friend. I think that your attitude is exactly what black people need (especially in the US) to combat racism. I completely agree with you that racism fuels more crime. But I also appreciate your call to your fellow blacks to stop “blaming the whites for our woes we should prove to the world that we are africans and we are able like others.” Unfortunately, it seems like most of the so called “black leaders” in the US (Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, etc) are more in the business of blaming everyone else. It seems like the African Americans who have been vocal in calling for black people to stand up and push ahead are ignored. That is a travesty.
I also concur with your comments about black people obtaining visas here. I have heard numerous reports that it is extremely difficult for them. And yes, in my town, there are plenty of black teachers whose knowledge of the English language is much more extensive that their white counterparts.
Thanks for your comments
07/04/2008 at 5:37 pm
Teacher said,
And for the person who is/was a teacher in China: Do some research before you “inform” people who know little about Black people about Black people. When your students brought up black people commiting so much crime in America, you should’ve used it as an opportunity to explore this misinformation by doing some research with them to see if this was true. ALL of you would’ve learned from it.
@Teacher,
Thanks for your comments. Please ready the comments that I made to clarify the section of my post which deals with black people and crime. I was simply trying to get through to my students that not all black people are criminals. When they see the statistics from the US they automatically assume that black people can never be trusted. I don’t teach a research class. This conversation came as a result of a few students stating their mistrust of black people because they all commit crimes. I don’t think I did anyone a disservice (except for racists who want everyone to think that all black people are criminals) by helping my students to understand that not all black people are criminals.
07/05/2008 at 3:00 am
I’m actually enjoying this article about your students perceptions of Black Americans. It should also be noted that here in the US, the media in general don’t focus on the positive aspects of African Americans, they have a highly developed bias for covering all of the bad news because it’s more entertaining. I agree with what Teacher said. You should make note to your students that, Even though slavery have been over for 150 years, blacks were never allowed to advance, when we did start being self reliant and sufficient, the US government and it’s deeply rooted process of institutionalized racism always prevented advancement. That brings us to the current state of lower class Black Americans. It was only 40 something years ago that we were granted civil rights. That’s telling. The crime statistics are the way they are because of bias, if you were to take those same statistics and cross compare with white offenders, what would the result be? That an overwhelmingly amount of white offenders of the same crimes as blacks don’t get as nearly harsh punishment? If the media didn’t follow or report every little thing that lower class blacks did then the perception would be greatly different. They do not represent the millions of Black Americans who are positive achievers.
07/05/2008 at 1:11 pm
“I also concur with your comments about black people obtaining visas here. I have heard numerous reports that it is extremely difficult for them. ”
@Robert and Espero,
I don’t know if it’s the truth or not. I think in most cases they just too focus on their color and tried to be related the reason why they could not obtain the visa. You are here talking about the racist. So how are you going to deduce from here? Chinese government are favoring racist?
Do you know how difficult for a Chinese to get a visa to US? How many chinese people applying for a Visa are rejected by US? If possible, please you go to learn about that. Applying US visa in China is much more complicated than in other country.
Should I say that it is racist behavior of US?
Wish you are saying things in the fair method.
07/05/2008 at 10:21 pm
to jason Ding
Do you know how difficult for a Chinese to get a visa to US? How many chinese people applying for a Visa are rejected by US? If possible, please you go to learn about that. Applying US visa in China is much more complicated than in other country.
Should I say that it is racist behavior of US?
Wish you are saying things in the fair method.
my comment was not just about visa , it was just an example, yeah , it is well known that without a strict control of chinese immigration, china will be empty and chinese will totally infest other countries, you can find it everywhere, chinese are flowing abroad to many countries , we greatly welcome them ,yeah it’s chinas right to decide on visa issues, why i talked about this was because most people are having it hot here these days ,i give u a good example , i was personally told that the chinese government have decided not to allow Africans to work in china and if posible , send them back to africa, and i asked this guy working with the foreign affairs why , and the answer was like africans are terrorist. yeah , i have alot of chinese guys who are nice to africans,but most of them always have this negative feelings and ideas which hurts me alot , i never in my life think or try to make a chinese angry, i love them but the love is not appreciated,.to any one who knows chinese , the never say things openly but they do it, my girl friend told me what chinese often say about foreigners, as i said they are racist not because they like to, but just out of ignorance, but i get mad when a well educated chinese is ignorant
let me make it clear, it ’s very clear these days that africans are no longer needed in china, they have been doing alot to freeze their visas, refusing them work permit, and so on, my friends visa was to expire , he went to the police one month ahead, but the police refused telling him to go back to africa, his colleagues from the same school, germans, they needed just 3months extension of their but they were immediately given 1 year , so this are some examples to prove chinese hatred for blacks.
yeah they help us during apatheid just like any other country going to africa because they want to reap something, africa has no true friends, they are all out to blunder and dump manufactured goods…….more of chinese help is coming up just recently, i appreciate it, but all again as i said is hypocrisy,i think its all upto us africans to take the right path and decisions, we should stop begging and complaining , if the chinese and others did and they are coming out of poverty, we can too , and can do it better than they, be proud of yourself and think the right way. no amount of hatred can deter any body’s progress, only you can deter it…….. brothers stand up ….
07/06/2008 at 11:49 am
Dear Espero,
I think you have misunderstood what I’m saying. It’s not Chinese government control the application US visa, China allow everyone to go abroad as long as he has the visa of destination country. It’s US government which control strictly on visa application toward Chinese people. Most of Chinese may not get the visa finally.
You said Chinea would be empty if no control? Really? But why do so many you guys come into China? Please don’t use the “Superior”. And I tell you Chinese government never worries about this issue. And I told you I have immigrated Canada and then I found that democracy is not the only thing I want to persue and I found the democracy there is not perfect too. I have my culture and living habit and then returned back to China. There are lots of other oversea Chinese with the same feeling as me. It’s free for me to immigrate to other countries and our country also welcome us to be back into China. Please don’t be so ignorant and naive any more.
Tell you other story. When I was in Uni in 1980s, almost all of the foreign students were from Africa, they were total free during study and all cost is from Chinese government. I have 2 classmates who are from Rowanda. Before studying in our university, they spent 1 or 2 years in Beijing Language University to study Chinese. All of these are free. We were told that they were foreign friends and if possible, we need to help them from every consideration.
While we Chinese students conjested in the dormitory with 8 persons, they lived in the Foreign student apartments, 2 of them shared a room same or bigger than our room, each floor a service lady is provided taking care of their lifes. Once they have problem in study, teachers will send the excellent student from us to help them. We did help them a lot and none of classmates had any racist comments. Unfortunately, I heard one of my classmates were killed during the ethnic genocide in Rowanda. This is just an example of my class. But it represents all in the China. From my view, our country treated African friends very well.
Do you know the story of TAZARA railway? Tanzania government asked Western countries for loan to help built it and was refused. All of western countries were not willing to loan it, neither was Soviet Union. China promised it although China itself is very poor. If you didn’t know this or if you forgot about this, it’s too pity. That’s happened in 1970s.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TAZARA_Railway
07/06/2008 at 12:05 pm
“my friends visa was to expire , he went to the police one month ahead, but the police refused telling him to go back to africa, his colleagues from the same school, germans, they needed just 3months extension of their but they were immediately given 1 year , so this are some examples to prove chinese hatred for blacks.”
@Espero,
You said this is hatred example. But did you see the list of countries which US, UK government treated so different from other countries for visa application? Lots of African countries, Muslim countries and China are on that list. It’s very hard for them to get the visa, not saying extension for the visa. Should I say it’s the proof that American hatred people in those countries?
07/07/2008 at 12:06 pm
To Jason ding
what you are saying , i understand clearly, and i can give u good examples of chinese generousity to africa, many countries do the same, so it’s not a new phenomenon for countries helping poor africa. we appreciate your help especially from a country like china, i came here personaly for my love of the culture since when i was a kid, it was my dream to come to the country of bruce lee, jacky chan, and others.please dont misunderstand me,i do not hate chinese nor chinese government all political systems has a flaw, we all know politics is a dirty game , so we are not talking here as politicians,i appreciate the chinese government’s efforts towards eradicating poverty in china. and i know some of my african brothers did some bad things against some chinese, same as some chinese did towards them. but my point here is i dont understand why a government official will classify africans as terrorists, secondly i cant understand why do chinese think colour teaches english, jason you sound to be a good guy , what i will say is , you cant know everything about china, you dont know how you look like until u look yourself in the mirror, as a foreigner i can see so many mistakes while you cant.there are many ads about teaching jobs e.g we need teachers from america , canada, england, they must be white skin teachers, …….this is just from a few chinese ,my point here is chinese are ignorant about africans, u must accept this fact it’s true, this is as result of poor teaching at school or a kind of propaganda.
yeah every body likes to go to america, it s difficult to get a visa, but my example is not about getting an entry visa, but people already living in china why should the government or lets say some individuals refuse to extend residence and visa for africans,? because to my knowledge the chinese government welcomes everyone here, and there is no law which states that chinese shouldnt employ africans, but as everyone knows apart from chinese,chinese sometimes say something but do the other way round, it’s typical of chinese to say welcome while the really dont want, anyway i have nothing to do about it, this is the culture, i dont have to change it but i need just an understanding between us, treat us as humans not by our colours,, jason i know u will find it hard to believe i will like u to make a research on this.we all love china but and i have many chinese friends in china and africa, they will sometimes stand against some ignorant chinese to tell them the plain truth about africa,and i think you jason with your knowledge living abroad should try to tell some of your country men that black is human nature , its not poverty nor backwardness….. thanks for your understanding , take this as a learning process not as a battle ……
07/07/2008 at 11:20 pm
@ Espero,
I’m familiar with current visa policy. I guess that it’s related to security issue with the olympia game. I think visa extension issue perhaps related to the country not related to the color. If you and a white who are both from US, you failed to extent the visa and the white got it, then it was color discrimination. A decision was made must have been some deep reason which both you and me don’t know. But just to link with color may not be the answer.
To let which foreigner to work in China is really government’s decision. The european people can easily get a job in US, but a Chinese people or African is very difficult to work in US. Just complain China about that is not fair.
I should say “Discrimination”, including color, economic, area, facial, ethnic discrimination, is indeed the ugly nature of the human beings (sort of original sin). Some people talks and treats other without thinking in their mind but using their animal nature. That’s the popular everywhere.
Some people is much shorter than others, they may face more discrimination than those normal height people. But it doesn’t mean all the people may discrimate him and he can not be the excellent. Napolean and Mr. Dengxiaoping is the case.
Black people may face more discrimination than other color people, but most of the time like you say is due to other people’s ignorant and subconcious thinking. In China, that kind of people do exist. But from government level, I don’t think it exists.
Please do know that those black sports stars, esp NBA stars and football stars, are the idol of Chinese youth. They like them very much. What does that mean? Whatever color you are, If you are the exellent, you will be recognized by everyone.
I hate all kinds of discrimination. Everytime when someone talks about issue in discrimination, I correct it immediately.
08/14/2008 at 6:16 pm
What an interesting debate. I originally searched the internet to find any information relating to Chinese attitudes towards black people. As a black person who has always had an interest in Chinese culture and always harboured a wish to visit China at some time I was interested to research into Chinese attitudes towards other races especially blacks.
Apart from the mindless ramblings of the racists who’s comments are completely undeserving of a response most of the comments have been very interesting.
I would like to add my small contribution to the debate which I hope will be a positive contribution to the subject matter. It is human nature to be wary of people or cultures that differ from your own. Racism/culture-ism/nationalism is part of the ‘human condition’. All wars and conflicts around the world are caused by one or more of these factors and in all cases there is only one solution to the conflict… education and understanding. I comment the original poster of this blog for trying to educate the pupils that not all blacks are criminals much as I try to convince many of my black friends that not all whites are racist towards non whites. Racism stems from ignorance and education or in some instances lack of education. I mean by my last statement I can guarantee that the bigots who have posted comments on this threat were indoctrinated by a parent/parents or close family members during their formative years which have resulted in their distorted views in adult-hood. On the other hand if Chinese children are allowed to take their perspective of blacks purely from media snippets they get a similar biased impression that they believe to be factual. So once again I comment your efforts in educating your Chinese pupils. Please research and teach them something about black culture, if it is within your remit to do so. Give them some explanation as to why the crime rate is so high amoungst our black communities. The reasons are historical, social and economic not through any lack of intelligence or low IQ due to skin colour as some of our less informed contributors would have you believe.
To the other black contributors… as a people we can do much to help our own case and improve the perception of our race to non blacks. We know that in many ways the deck is stacked against us. The crime figures for blacks are disproportionately high because we are disproportionately poor and disadvantaged but we have to get through to our young people that crime is not the solution, education is the solution. If we are educated and capable then the non-blacks, no matter their personal feelings about us, will employ us because they want to exploit our knowledge and skill for their own advancement. This puts us in a position of strength from which we can really start to change the social economic situation and in the process the public perception of black people in general. If 90% of blacks were doctors, lawyers, police commissioners and other prominent professions what do you think the perception of the black race would be? Blaming others for our plight won’t change our current situation only we can change our situation.
In the end we are all one race, with the same goals in life. I want to live a prosperous life, in good health surrounded by my family who I want to be able to provide for. I imagine if you asked a Chinese citizen, or a Russian citizen what his goals in life are they would have similar responses. The truth is we are not so different irrespective of race, colour or creed we only take different routes to the same destination. What we have to educate ourselves is that there is no right or wrong route it is the destination that is important, that in fact we all strive for the same thing, have the same fears and insecurities and that the differences are not to be feared but understood, tolerated and not seen as threatening.
09/13/2008 at 7:01 am
I can confirm Chinese people’s anti-black sentiments. Although I can’t speak for all Chinese people, I can say for that myself, I learned it the hard way through experience. I lived in a predominantly black neighborhood for a while and there was rampant crime, drugs, murder, etc.
By no means am I saying all black people are criminals, but the statistics “An American” cited don’t lie. Anywhere there is a large concentration of black people, crime is endemic. I wouldn’t take issue with this as much if black people actually accepted some responsibility for this, but most of them are content to shift blame towards slavery, racism, etc. To them, everything is the white man’s fault. You can’t begin to address a problem if you’re perpetually in denial.
Lastly, to Axel from UK, and all you other “one race” believers, open your eyes. There are clear differences between races. One only needs to look at the obvious to realize this simple truth. Why is it that the 100m is always won by black sprinters? Why is it that the top Olympic swimmers are all white (hint: blacks have higher bone density than whites)?
As far as IQ goes, you’re completely oblivious to reality if you don’t think there are significant intelligence differences between races. Not only does Nobel Prize winner James Watson, the co-discoverer of DNA support this view, I witnessed this firsthand. I attended a very diverse school (plenty of whites, blacks, Latinos, Asians), but virtually all my honors classes consisted of a heavy white & Asian majority.
In the classes I attended which were majority black and Latino, the Asians (even the ones that barely knew English) easily outscored the blacks on tests. You might say this is simply my subjective experience, but look around any college campus and you can see the same pattern. It’s too consistent to be mere coincidence.
My point is, there ARE racial differences, and the sooner we get past this ignorant politically correct BS and acknowledge this fact, the sooner we can begin to address the problems created by these differences.
09/16/2008 at 10:31 am
Back in 1979 , I wrote a letter to the New York Times on the subject of China and Black people. It was printed in the newspaper: here is the link:
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=950DE1DB103EF93BA25750C0A96F948260
Here is the body of the article:
To the Editor:
Gao Yuan’s exposition on Chinese racism (”In China, Black Isn’t Beautiful,” Op-Ed, Jan. 25) is disinformative and deceptive. It paints a picture of a universal and natural disdain for any one or thing that is black on the part of Chinese culture.
As a black American who speaks, reads and writes Chinese, has been to Asia more than 20 times and has lived there, I find Mr. Yuan’s assessment seriously errs. As one who has had Chinese inquire if I was a ”hwa chiao,” or overseas Chinese, I can offer a different perspective.
Let’s start with an obvious point many African students have told me. If Africans are held in such disdain and contempt, it must be a racism by Chinese men only. The black students had Chinese girlfriends who did not care what complexion they had. They were willing to risk ostracism from Chinese males to be socially involved with the Africans for the pleasure of their company.
Culturally, Chinese do not associate the color black with all that is negative. Black is the color of energy and virility, of good luck; white is the color of death. Chinese men prefer light-skinned women, Chinese women prefer the tall, dark and handsome males that Western women do. Of the three Chinese door gods to be found from Beijing to America’s Chinatowns, one is yellow, one is red and one is black. The fair-faced scholarly young man is a boring wimp. The most popular television star in Taiwan is an American black disk jockey on the English-language radio station, who speaks fluent Chinese and is guaranteed to draw huge crowds of admirers wherever he goes.
China had relations with Africa long before the arrival of the Europeans. Recent racism is more jealousy by Chinese males seeing Chinese women’s eagerness to socialize with African students than it is natural hatred for black people. Chinese officials keep stating that African students should not date so many girls: it is obvious these students were popular among Chinese women, and Chinese men didn’t like it.
Anthropologically speaking, Chinese and Africans, aside from hair texture and skin color, share many physical features, broad lips and flat noses, the high cheekbones and narrow eyes that are formed by the epicanthic fold, which occurs in both races. This similarity in features accounts for my being mistaken for an Asian many times by Japanese, Chinese, Thais and Filipinos.
In Japan, it is now fashionable for Japanese girls to be seen with a black man. Japanese girls queue up outside expensive discos in Roppongi to invite waiting blacks in and pay their way for the privilege and prestige of their presence.
Chinese male students are often viewed by Chinese women as not as much fun as African or foreign students. This is not racism. I have never experienced racism from the Chinese. I have been accepted by them as family. Gao Yuan’s blanket picture of the state of relations between our races does not jibe with my personal experience and that of my peers.
09/16/2008 at 10:42 am
20 years later, Things are about the same. I am stil asked all the time if I am Thai, or part Chinese, I look at many chinese and notice that with darker skin they would look EXACTLY like many black women. And I have no problems interacting with Chinese people. Sure here in this forum there are a few Asians that haev a “banana:” mentality. These people , when speaking about the USA, and other western countries, forget that Chinese were considered to be subhuman by whites and are still viewed with suspicion and distrust. After the Olympics, many whites came to me and expressed the fear that all those thousands of performers acting in unison were representative of some sort of vaguely inhuman “hive” mentality. While the Chinese thought that it was an impressive display of skill and organization,.. Whites see it as evidence of a robotic army of ant people poised to try to take over THEIR world (bananas included). As for me .. I blend in so I am not scared of any on.
09/26/2008 at 1:02 pm
@Micheal
As a black leaving in China, and who is feeling the heat and now working on writing my own unbiased book on black race as it relates to the Chinese perception: I found your writing interestingly confusing. We would have appreciated it the most if your Photo is published along with your article in the New York Times.
Ref: “As a black American who speaks, reads and writes Chinese, has been to Asia more than 20 times and has lived there, I find Mr. Yuan’s assessment seriously errs. As one who has had Chinese inquire if I was a ”hwa chiao,” or overseas Chinese, I can offer a different perspective.”
Your non inclusion of your photo gave me the feeling that you a mixed raced….” like Obama though black has a white mother”. If you are confusingly black to the Chinese the closest they could compare you with are the “INDIANS and not an OVERSEAS CHINESE”. Unless you have a mixed Asian blood.
Yes Chinese girls date blacks guys (though I won’t go into the details of which types of Chinese girls do that and the whys of it. I have a chapter for that in my up-coming book) but the lighter skin you are as a black man, the more comfortable would the Chinese girl be,in dating you for the long run. I am very good looking and very dark skinned , I have this close friend of mind, who is not so good looking but far lighter that I do ( we’ both black Africans, mind you. Yes we have white African too :–) .Whenever we’ both pitching for say, same Chinese girls, he tends to use his lighter skin color as his own pitch, and very often that works for him. And several times I have been asked why thought we both Africans, I seem to be darker.( though the answer could be obvious, but I know where the question is coming from)
From your assertion black could be the colour of energy and virility or of good luck (though I will research more into that) but culturally in China black also signifies evil /poverty. If you have a friend who is a factory/Company Boss try to call him “ Hei Xin de lao ban” ( black heart boss) and wait for his reaction.
I get so pissed off most times by this “color associative relationship” of the Chinese people, that I try to give them a quick “ Colour Tutorial 101 Lesson” It is this simple. I will try to get a black object say like a Michelin Car Tyre (which is obviously black) and place my hand close to it. I now teach them that ‘”though we are called blacks figuratively, we ain’t really blacks but Chocolate coloured, which they could see from the tyre colour and my skin, and that chocolates like they know is very lovely etc. and I also tell them they really ain’t white or yellow skinned, like they presume but peach colored, which is a fact.
10/08/2008 at 5:51 am
you racist punks, talk really big hidding behind your computers..
you are just a bunch of scary little bitches…. with penis envy!!!!!!!!!
blacks aren’t going anywhere we are HERE TO STAY, all human life on earth comes from US… YOU ARE ALL BLACK… Self hate is a motherfucker!!!!
10/16/2008 at 6:44 pm
hello everybody here
i was watching this discussion about obama election . It is very interesting to get this opinion from chinese people . without no doubt chinese people don’t like black people even white .i hqve been in china for 7 years but everytime the same things is repeating like ignorance , and other bad attitude towards blacks.
in usa , the black people living there right now , they bluilt America .so if chinese people enjoy living there , they should say many thanks to blacks .
for any info , check the story of america
thanks
10/17/2008 at 11:03 am
@Chinaman,
Unfortunately, you are correct. I have not seen very much improvement in the way that people here view black people. Ignorance, racism, etc all play a part in how black people are trated here. However, I hope that Chinese people who travel to the U.S. have a chance to change their attitudes about this issue…
10/20/2008 at 10:17 pm
China is a great place to live and work because there are no N******, RAG-HEADS, INDIANS OR MEXICANS…America is turning into a toilet because of N******, MEXICANS and other sub-humans.
10/20/2008 at 10:45 pm
THE MANY LIES OF OSAMA OBAMA…
1.) Selma Got Me Born - LIAR, your parents felt safe enough to have you in 1961 - Selma had no effect on your birth, as Selma was in 1965.
2.) Father Was A Goat Herder - LIAR, he was a privileged, well educated youth, who went on to work with the Kenyan Government.
3.) Father Was A Proud Freedom Fighter - LIAR, he was part of one of the most corrupt and violent governments Kenya has ever had
4.) My Family Has Strong Ties To African Freedom - LIAR, your cousin Raila Odinga has created mass violence in attempting to overturn a legitimate election in 2007, in Kenya. It is the first widespread violence in decades.
5.) My Grandmother Has Always Been A Christian - LIAR, she does her daily Salat prayers at 5am according to her own interviews. Not to mention, Christianity wouldn’t allow her to have been one of 14 wives to 1 man.
6.) My Name is African Swahili - LIAR, your name is Arabic and ‘Baraka’ (from which Barack came) means ‘blessed’ in that language. Hussein is also Arabic and so is Obama.
7.) I Never Practiced Islam - LIAR, you practiced it daily at school, where you were registered as a Muslim and kept that faith for 31 years,until your wife made you change, so you could run for office.
8.) My School In Indonesia Was Christian - LIAR, you were registered as Muslim there and got in trouble in Koranic Studies for making faces (check your own book).
9.) I Was Fluent In Indonesian - LIAR, not one teacher says you could speak the language.
10.) Because I Lived In Indonesia, I Have More Foreign Experience - LIAR, you were there from the ages of 6 to 10, and couldn’t even speak the language. What did you learn, how to study the Koran and watch cartoons.
11.) I Am Stronger On Foreign Affairs - LIAR, except for Africa (surprise) and the Middle East (bigger surprise), you have never been anywhere else on the planet and thus have NO experience with our closest allies.
12.) I Blame My Early Drug Use On Ethnic Confusion - LIAR, you were quite content in high school to be Barry Obama, no mention of Kenya and no mention of struggle to identify - your classmates said you were just fine.
13.)An Ebony Article Moved Me To Run For Office - LIAR, Ebony has yet to find the article you mention in your book. It doesn’t, and never did, exist.
14.) A Life Magazine Article Changed My Outlook On Life - LIAR, Life has yet to find the article you mention in your book. It doesn’t, and never did, exist.
15.) I Won’t Run On A National Ticket In ‘08 - LIAR, here you are, despite saying, live on TV, that you would not have enough experience by then, and you are all about having experience first.
16.) Present Votes Are Common In Illinois - LIAR, they are common for YOU, but not many others have 130 NO VOTES.
17.) Oops, I Misvoted - LIAR, only when caught by church groups and democrats, did you beg to change your misvote.
18.) I Was A Professor Of Law - LIAR, you were a senior lecturer ON LEAVE.
19.) I Was A Constitutional Lawyer - LIAR, you were a senior lecturer ON LEAVE.
20.) Without Me, There Would Be No Ethics Bill - LIAR, you didn’t write it,introduce it, change it, or create it.
21.) The Ethics Bill Was Hard To Pass - LIAR, it took just 14 days from start to finish.
22.) I Wrote A Tough Nuclear Bill - LIAR, your bill was rejected by your own party for its pandering and lack of all regulation - mainly because of your Nuclear Donor, Exelon, from which David Axelrod came.
23.) I Have Released My State Records - LIAR, as of March, 2008, state bills you sponsored or voted for have yet to be released, exposing all the special interests pork hidden within.
24.) I Took On The Asbestos Altgeld Gardens Mess - LIAR, you were part of a large group of people who remedied Altgeld Gardens. You failed to mention anyone else but yourself, in your books.
25.) My Economics Bill Will Help America - LIAR, your 111 economic policies were just combined into a proposal which lost 99-0, and even YOU voted against your own bill.
26.) I Have Been A Bold Leader In Illinois - LIAR, even your own supporters claim to have not seen BOLD action on your part.
27.) I Passed 26 Of My Own Bills In One Year - LIAR, they were not YOUR bills, but rather handed to you, after their creation by a fellow Senator, to assist you in a future bid for higher office.
28.) No One Contacted Canada About NAFTA - LIAR, the Candian Government issued the names and a memo of the conversation your campaign had with them.
29.) I Am Tough On Terrorism - LIAR, you missed the Iran Resolution vote on terrorism and your good friend Ali Abunimah supports the destruction of Israel.
30.) I Am Not Acting As President Yet - LIAR, after the NAFTA Memo, a dead terrorist in the FARC, in Colombia, was found with a letter stating how you and he were working together on getting FARC recognized officially.
31.) I Didn’t Run Ads In Florida - LIAR, you allowed national ads to run 8-12 times per day for two weeks - and you still lost.
32.) I Won Michigan - LIAR, no you didn’t.
33.) I won Nevada - LIAR, no you did not.
34.) I Want All Votes To Count - LIAR, you said let the delegates decide.
35.) I Want Americans To Decide - LIAR, you prefer caucuses that limit the vote, confuse the voters, force a public vote, and only operate during small windows of time.
36.) I passed 900 Bills in the State Senate - LIAR, you passed 26, most of which you didn’t write yourself.
37.) My Campaign Was Extorted By A Friend - LIAR, that friend is threatening to sue if you do not stop saying this. Obama has stopped saying this.
38.) I Believe In Fairness, Not Tactics - LIAR, you used tactics to eliminate Alice Palmer from running against you.
39.) I Don’t Take PAC Money - LIAR, you take loads of it.
40.) I don’t Have Lobbysists - LIAR, you have over 47 lobbyists, and counting.
41.) My Campaign Had Nothing To Do With The 1984 Ad - LIAR, your own campaign worker made the ad on his Apple in one afternoon.
42.) My Campaign Never Took Over MySpace - LIAR, Tom, who started MySpace issued a warning about this advertising to MySpace clients.
43.) I Inspire People With My Words - LIAR, you inspire people with other people’s words.
44.) I Have Passed Bills In The U.S. Senate - LIAR, you have passed A BILL in the U.S. Senate - for Africa, which shows YOUR priorities.
45.) I Have Always Been Against Iraq - LIAR, you weren’t in office to vote against it AND you have voted to fund it every single time, unlike Kucinich, who seems to be out gutting you Obama. You also seem to be stepping back from your departure date - AGAIN.
46.) I Have Always Supported Universal Health Care - LIAR, your plan leaves us all to pay the 15,000,000 who don’t have to buy it.
47.) I Only Found Out About My Investment Conflicts Via Mail - LIAR, both companies you site as having sent you letters about this conflict have no record of any such letter ever being created or sent.
48.) I Am As Patriotic As Anyone - LIAR, you won’t wear a flag pin and you don’t put your hand over your heart during the Anthem.
49.) My Wife Didn’t Mean What She Said About Pride In Country - LIAR, your wife’s words follow lock-step in the vein of Wright and Farrahkan, in relation to their contempt and hatred of America.
50.) Wal-Mart Is A Company I Wouldn’t Support - LIAR, your wife has received nearly a quater of a million dollars through Treehouse, which is connected to Wal-Mart.
51.) Treehouse Is A Small Company - LIAR, the CEO of Treehouse last year, made more than the CEO of Wal-Mart, according to public records.
52.) University Of Chicago Hospital Pay Is Fair - LIAR, your wife’s pay raise was nearly 150% her already bloated rate and the hospital is a Non-Profit Hospital, which made $100,000,000 in the last 3 years. They overcharge blacks VS whites for services, and overcharge everyone in general by 538%!
53.)I Barely Know Rezko - Only 5 Billed Hours - LIAR, you have known him for 17 years, and decided to do a real estate deal with him during a time when he was proven to be under investigation. Despite this, you divided your property and had them take off $300K before the mortgage problems started. Then Rezko’s wife buys the lot beside it that you can’t afford, saving you $625,000.
54.) My Donations Have Been Checked Thoroughly - LIAR, you only gave back Hsu ($72K) and Rezko (first $66K, then when caught lying $86K, then when caught lying again $150K and now caught lying YET AGAIN OBAMA, it’s $250k) their money when publically called on their involvement in your campaigns.
55.) My Church Is Like Any Other Christian Church - LIAR, your church is so extreme, the pastor who married you, Rev. Wright, just got done blaming the US for 9/11 and named Louis Farrahkan their person of the year.
56.) I Disagree With My Church All The Time - LIAR, you still have yet to repudiate Wright, who married you and your wife, and you still donate large sums of money to assist the church in furthering its message - hatred and revenge. You donated in 2006 alone, $22,500 to the church that you so terribly disagree with. That is nearly $500 PER WEEK - that sure is disagreement, Senator Obama.
57.) I Have Clean Connections Despite Rezko - LIAR, you are not only connected to Exelon and Rezko, you are also connected to Hillary PAC supporter Mr. Hsu, AND an Iraqi Billionaire of ill repute, Nadhmi Auchi, who ripped off people in the Food For Oil, Iraqi deal. Seems Mr. Auchi may have helped Obama buy his million dollar property long before Obama had millions of dollars. Wonder what favors Mr. Auchi expects, when Obama leaves Iraq free to be taken over by special interests such as him.
58.) I never heard sermons like Rev. Wright’s, that have been in videos all day, You Tube - LIAR! 3 days later during your Mea Culpa BS speech you said “Did I hear controversial statements while I sat in that church? Yes I did.”
59.) The Passport Invasion is a conspiracy to find dirt on me! - LIAR. Your own Campaign Foreign Policy Advisor is the CEO of the company that looked into your records. PS - You had them look into yours to hide the fact you looked into Clinton’s and McCain’s more than a year before!
60.) Rev. Meeks has nothing to do with my campaigning - LIAR. Rev. Meeks appeared in ads for your Senate Campaign, donated to you, and helped raise money, then AND NOW. PS - He also seems to despise America.
61.) My wife didn’t mean America is ignorant, she was just using a phrase - LIAR. Again, MicHELLe’s comments perfectly sync with Wright’s, Meeks’, and Farrakhans, both in language, anger, and direction.
62.) I am very Anti-Terror - LIAR. [03/30/2008] One of your good pals is long time radical and terrorist William Ayers, with whom you have been seen in the last 12 months and who has helped the now jailed khalidi, Professor at Columbia who invited Ahmadinejad to the University, to raise money for Palestinian terrorism attacks against Israel. PS - Your church published a pro Hamas Manifesto - guess you weren’t there on THAT Sunday either? How lucky for you.
63.) I have the best plan to cure the Mortgage Crisis - LIAR. [03/30/2008] You and your campaign buddy Penny SubPrime Bank Collapse Prizker have had your little fingers full of subprime cash - Obama has taken $1,180,103 from the top issuers of subprime loans: Obama received $266,907 from Lehman, $5395 from GMAC, $150,850 from Credit Suisse First Boston, $11,250 from Countrywide, $9052 from Washington Mutual, $161,850 from Citigroup, $4600 from CBASS, $170,050 from Morgan Stanley, $1150 from Centex, and last but certainly NOT LEAST - Obama received $351,900 from Goldman Sachs. I am sure that cash all came from folks who knew the subprime loan they had was a dream, eh?
64) I played greater role in crafting liberal stands on gun control, the death penalty and abortion - LIAR - [03/31/2008] It was found that Obama — the day after sitting for the interview — filed an amended version of the questionnaire, which appears to contain Obama’s own handwritten notes added to one answer. Read Obama had greater role on liberal survey
65) I did NOT play the race card: - LIAR - [03/31/2008] Obama was the first to play the race card. According to Phialdelphia Inquirer, Quietly, the storm over the hateful views expressed by Sen. Barack Obama’s pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, has blown away the most insidious myth of the Democratic primary campaign. Obama and his surrogates have charged that Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton has deliberately and cleverly played the race card in order to label Obama the “black” candidate. Read more here
66) I did not take money from oil companies: - LIAR - [03/31/2008]
THE FACTS: True enough, Obama does not take money from oil companies. No candidate does. It is illegal for corporations to give money to politicians. Corporations, however, do have political action committees that collect voluntary donations from employees and then donate them to candidates. Obama doesn’t take money from PACs. He also doesn’t take money from lobbyists.
But he does accept money from executives and other employees of oil companies and two of his fundraisers are oil company executives. As of Feb. 29, Obama’s presidential campaign had received nearly $214,000 from oil and gas industry employees and their families, according to an analysis by the nonpartisan Center for Responsive Politics. Clinton had received nearly $307,000 from industry workers and their families and Republican Sen. John McCain, the likely GOP presidential nominee, received nearly $394,000, according to the center’s totals.
Two of Obama’s fundraisers are Robert Cavnar, the chairman and chief executive of Houston-based Mission Resources Corp., and George Kaiser, the president and CEO of Tulsa-based Kaiser-Francis Oil Co. Source: Associated press via Yahoo News
67) “I don’t think my church is actually particularly controversial,” Obama said at a community meeting in Nelsonville, Ohio, earlier this month. - LIAR - But yesterday, he told a different story. “Did I ever hear him make remarks that could be considered controversial while I sat in church? Yes,” he said in his speech yesterday in Philadelphia.
68) Look at my education record in Illinois - LIAR - In reality, Obama never really championed the local councils. He supported them behind the scenes and only eventually came out publicly on their behalf. When he did weigh in, he came down on the wrong side of the debate—against protecting principals from unwarranted dismissals and in favor of keeping councils independent, no matter what. In the end, the resolution of the conflict between the two sides didn’t alleviate anyone’s concerns. Instead, it prolonged a turf battle that seems to have dragged down academic progress in the years since. Read more here. Source: slate.com
p.s. most n***** lie and Obama is no exception…
10/20/2008 at 11:09 pm
@ ‘Dr’ Stevenson,
What is the point of listing all of this? Even if none of what you said above was true, you would still hate him because he is black. You are a racist. Plain and simple.
And, your p.s., disgusting as it is would be true if you had just substituted the word politican with the ‘n’ word. POLITICIANS lie.
Now look, I am not a big fan of Obama because I don’t happen to agree with stances on social and economic issues…however..I will not stand on the sidelines and let racists like you sell your ‘crap’ to people…it’s ridiculous and sickening…
10/21/2008 at 10:22 pm
I am a realist not a racist…Mr. vance needs to pull his head out of his ass and stop living in his liberal fantasy land. People like Mr. Vance (liberal cretins) are directly responsible for the decline of America and other European countries.
It’s easy to be a liberal and go a long with the brainless masses but it’s hard to stand on your own principles. Liberals are part of problem and not the solution. I believe in imperical data and facts. Check the FBI crime statistics by race and you will know why I don’t like blacks…
10/22/2008 at 8:03 am
I think you guy, you have a big problem.
why you blame black people ?
why , blacks comit crime ? did ask yourself ? unless , you are not intelligent .
Black people , were brought from Africa by white people . you should say sorry for that because these living there , they want to find out their origin , but it is impossible for them .you should say sorry because even Germain said sorry to France .
After , the slavery was abolished , the black were forgotten and the racism agains’t black took place .after that , the black still can not get a good education and u can go in America , in Europe , you can find it out .if there are many crime committed by them it is because they have no choice . many of them , did not go to school because their family can not afford to send them to school.
It is the same as the terrorism, people make a revolution because they have no choice. so the only way , is to say no.the same , you can see in many african country , the rebellion , these rebel takes guns ,because they want to make a revolution , they want to share their country economy INCOME .
So, don’t say black are criminal because if MEXICAN , BLACK , AND OTHER NATIONALITIES comits a crime it is because they need an equal consideration.
Get them in good condition and you will see what will happen.
you are just ignorant and racist . you think black people are condemn to stay away from any political acitvities .
you are wrong .
Look , before , Africa don’t say anything while the European countries just come over and take theirs natural ressource away .
What happen , Africa is very poor now while they are naturally very rich .
poor people , so they have to go abroad to find job . that is why you see this immigration flow .
Today , Africa says no . so you have to use this natural resource and Europe can not be the only partner because they colonize us .
so, you are now trying to develop our nations and whoever doesn’t respect us , you will not never respect him.
we are now trying china to see . we are just trying .
peace
i like black , i like white , i like yellow .
my wife is white .
peace again
11/05/2008 at 8:07 pm
people tend to judge their ‘own’ people in a more positive light and thats just how it is. They will be more curious and suspicious of you if your obviously different.
I am Chinese. I am extremely good looking for an Asian person. I have never had a chance to be friends with black people but i would welcome any chance to do so.
Even if we are in any way different, It shouldn’t be referred to for discriminatory purposes but rather a celebration of different strong attributes we are each likely to carry. (and i am not even an optimistic person)
Are African Chinese impossible? I have seen a few amazing African Chinese biracial models and i would honestly think they kick ass. Black skin is full of melanin and Black people are physically gifted. On a sidenote: I don’t think its racist to refuse a date with someone other than your own culture.
Personally i believe that people should be judged as individuals but NOT everyone is willing! You’ve gotta change people through your own actions and effort and not expect other people to change for you overnight.
To politics: I think Obama will have a very tough challenge in solving the us trade deficits. The Chinese are only interested in if their own economy.
11/06/2008 at 11:23 pm
Thank you Mr R
That is what i wanna hear people saying . Not what these ignorants thinks that things are .
personnally , I believe that Obama can make change but need a huge effort because The US ECONOMY prob affect the entire wold so need to find a strategy to solve this deficit.
Black , yellow , white are all the same , i always say it . whoever understands this ,will have spirit peace . you can ‘t say this race is bad because u don’t know anything about it . black people are like asians , just like u say japanese, chinese , korean are all the same . Even, in Africa , every country with it is own culture and people are not the same .
i understand , that some of people in here think black are violent, criminal and whatever; this is not true . you need to know all of them before judging them .
whatever obama is , what we need is peace in the world . Bush provoked this economy crisis because of these wars in IRAQ AND AFGHANISTAN .
How much money they spent during these wars , how much they are spending ?
obama can make change and we believe it .
some of the chineses who are posting in this forum by insulting blacks , they should ask their gvmnt what Africa represent forChina . China is not Europe and foreigners in here are doing business , they are clients , they buy chinese products ;
If blacks leave china today , im not sure if many of the chinese businessmen can survive .
so , we need to respect each other . we are friends . we are not racists and we dont like racists .
thank you
11/08/2008 at 5:26 am
Whoa, more racism than I can stomach in one sitting.
One point I would like to make before taking a hot long shower (the better to wash your collective mud off of me). Here is the point:
BARACK OBAMA IS AS MUCH WHITE AS HE IS BLACK.
His father is black and his mother is white. That’s 50/50, my white supremacist readers. He’s nearly as white as you! He’s thirty times smart, one hundred times more moral, and One thousand times better than any of you cowardly racists. He is going to make this country a helluva better place to live than your resident George Jr ever could. Stay in mommy’s basement and watch all the porn you want. We don’t need you, you’re the past. The future’s on the way.
One more thing: My father’s Jewish and my mother is a protestant. In the Jewish religion, I am not Jewish because my mother isn’t. Being Jewish passes from the mother, not the father. But, for your ease in hate, I’ll always identify myself, proudly, as Jewish, because that’s what I am to you. So flame away, butt boys.
11/09/2008 at 12:22 pm
Yeah, I don’t know why the media all insist on calling Obama America’s first ‘Black’ President when he is really America’s first ‘colored’ President…Did his white mother count for nothing?….In fact Obama largely won the Presidency by NOT stressing ,or even mentioning, his ‘Blackness’………. .
11/11/2008 at 10:37 am
[...] our own Robert Vance covered some of these issues back in July when he wrote an article entitled “Is China Ready for Barack Obama?” While I do not necessarily agree with all of his points, I think many of his observations are still [...]
11/20/2008 at 4:12 pm
On a slightly different note from recent comments, here is a link to a piece showcasing the views of a Chinese person with regards to Obama’s environmental policy.
http://www.greenpeace.org/china/en/news/ailun-obama
It may shed some light as to what extent China, as well as Chinese people are ‘ready’ for Barack Obama.
01/15/2009 at 6:53 pm
Well,every one of u said just as he or she thinks and its never a bad thing.Concerning china being racist,i never see china as a racist country but just as an ignorant country by indidviduals(most of them)
About Obama being a president and some are not happy with that.I believe that some white proudly supported him not because of his colour but because of what they saw in him,so all we will be looking forward to see is that which we expects from him and mind you,to solt the economic crisis in USA now is not easy.
About immigrating to Usa or other part of the country being difficult especially for blacks or africans.I must make it clear to you all that not all africans will even accept free visa from the Usa gov.For instance,my wife is from Australia,i told her,i will never live in your country with you because am an african,A Ghanaian.I never marry you because i want migrate but because i love you.And uptill now,i never change my mind of living there.So western world or whatever.My country is not a hell and will never be,despite there are so many crime reports about my country which is caused by the government not because,we are poor but i believe because the people that colonised us can answer more about it.
Africans are poor as you whites think but an average african man will run to your country with huge amount of money a country cannot provide and you will accept him and hide him with the money.Then,when the individual who is seeking for a way to survive did the wrong thing,You will make some hulaballoos.
Am in china because i believe in doing the right thing and advices my friend on being patience.Chinese needs us and we need them too.
The government of china can take all africans home but some chinese will go back hungry.
Chinese lady or girls,most of them like africans but frankly speaking,they are scared and in some cases,they are right because some africans dont respect themselves and behave normal.
In some cases,some gov.officialls are the people supporting the individual in committing those mentioned crimes.
Government decision on visa extension especially for africans in china is because they think,they are better than us but i believe that 60% of chinese products are moving to africa not by free of charge but we are paying for it cash.And they must know that,chinese are also crime committers.Check their record in your country because they must be more than 500,000 there.
Again,am suprise to hear that Africans are suicide bombers or terrorist,firts time in history.
Please i have to plead you all,Lets stop all this racist issue.Lets think individaully what we must do to create better world by starting from your neighbour despite the race.
The reason i reject living with my wife in australia is not because my country is better than there but for me,it is and for no reason,let no one thinks am poor or from poor country.My country is not poor and will never be.
The whites can help make africa greater only if they can stop their selfishness.Sack those sons and daughters of the ministers or of our leaders in ur country and send them back home.Then,AFRICA WILL STOP COMMITTING CRIME ESPECIALLY ABROAD.
For the crime in usa,blacks or white,there muyst be back up by the whites and that must have given courage to continue in it and ,why cant you whites count the good the africans are doing in USA or are they just there committing crimes?
LETS STOP ALL THIS BULLSHIT AND HELP BUID A BETTER WORLD BY STARTING FROM UR NEIGHBOUR.TREAT HIM GOOD AND AS A BROTHER AND HE WILL DO THE SAME TO OTHERS OUTSIDE.
There is no country without crime committers,my wife first time to see me in china,the chinese snatched her back and she lost everything,she wanted to create hatred on them but i adviced her and tell the reason why she should not…OUT OF TWELVE,THERE MUST BE JUDAS…
I LOVE YOU ALL AND STOP TELLING CHINESE BLACKS ARE BAD BECUASE YOUR DAUGHTER MUST MARRY A BLACK MAN AND BESIDE,WE ARE NOT BLACK,IS JUST THE NAME YOU WHITES GAVE US DURING SLAVERY…WE ARE THE MOST LOVELY COLOUR’CHOCOLATE..THANKS.
02/10/2009 at 3:09 pm
Good lord!! What are YOU trying to do to those poor Chinese students of yours by spreading your leftist liberal hogwash? It’s not the Chinese who have it wrong, it’s YOU and your denials for the truth. Those who think the Chinese are ignorant for thinking the way they do about blacks, are themselves not a little condescending if not racist, and also underestimating the Chinese. They seem to forget or not understand that there is a huge Chinese diaspora around the globe, who can and do bring home news and experiences of how it is like with the outside world. Believe it or not, it ain’t all rosy. Blacks have certainly harmed Chinese in physically and verbally than Chinese ever did to any blacks. Much have sadly gone unreported or just ignored. Violence seems to be part of black culture. Just look at how many black ghettos there are in USA. You can’t even drive through there without being scared that a stray bullet might hit you.
>>”Why is it so difficult for them to conceive of a black man in charge of America? The answer is quite simple.”<<
You bet it is. Just present a list of US government statistics on black crimes rates compared to other races. Here’s for starters:
“Among murder arrests, blacks accounted for 64.9%, Hispanics 27.2%, whites 7.3% and Asians less than 1%.”
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2008/09/18/2008-09-18_blacks_latinos_lead_crime_stats__nypd-2.html
Blacks account for highest murder rates and welfare per capita than not only other races but whites. And blacks are still only a minority, so the disparity if actually VERY high.
Those stereotypes about blacks? Well, they certainly have more facts to support them than not. Oh there’s a more, so much more. Just go onto the USA govt sites. The most dangerous cities in the USA number more a dozen and all have majority of blacks/Hispanics.
Finally, how come blacks are not stereotyped of being hardworking and honest workers? How come blacks are not stereotyped as being achievers? Are you liberals going to blame the media or something?
OR….how come blacks are not stereotyped as being smart??? Could it because of evidence of low IQ?
http://www.slate.com/id/2178122/entry/2178123/
There’s a lot of facts out there, and too bad an overwhelming amount of it is negative. So who’s to blame for the perceptions out there? The blacks themselves or Chinese ignorance?
04/05/2009 at 9:44 am
Does Obama’s skin color really matter? China’s ready for anyone who can make them money and help them get richer, whether he’s white, black, or Arab.