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	<title>Comments on: Can Non-Native English Speakers Teach in China?</title>
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	<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 02:35:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Roger Moore</title>
		<link>http://www.teachabroadchina.com/can-non-native-english-speakers-teach-in-china/#comment-13662</link>
		<dc:creator>Roger Moore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 02:54:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes.. pinoy ako!.. 

the idea that NNS cannot teach in china was just a rubbish creation of a poor mind., am sad that mr. easton was the creator... lol... 

and... filipino teachers should not go down to mr. easton's level, so we should stop commenting on his nonsense and ludicrous views..anyway, he's nothing but just a dirt of our fingernails....lol...

filipino teachers will continue to soar... higher and higher.... because we are real teachers, we are teachers indeed by profession...we are creative, innovative and hard working...and because of that...we're being loved....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes.. pinoy ako!.. </p>
<p>the idea that NNS cannot teach in china was just a rubbish creation of a poor mind., am sad that mr. easton was the creator&#8230; lol&#8230; </p>
<p>and&#8230; filipino teachers should not go down to mr. easton&#8217;s level, so we should stop commenting on his nonsense and ludicrous views..anyway, he&#8217;s nothing but just a dirt of our fingernails&#8230;.lol&#8230;</p>
<p>filipino teachers will continue to soar&#8230; higher and higher&#8230;. because we are real teachers, we are teachers indeed by profession&#8230;we are creative, innovative and hard working&#8230;and because of that&#8230;we&#8217;re being loved&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: JOSE</title>
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		<dc:creator>JOSE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 06:54:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And i will not be DESPERATE to be arguing with this issues like Easton do......
Bwahahahahahh!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And i will not be DESPERATE to be arguing with this issues like Easton do&#8230;&#8230;<br />
Bwahahahahahh!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: JOSE</title>
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		<dc:creator>JOSE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 06:42:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WOW!!! Nice to hear that im happy 4 you Mr. Roger Moore!!!! Great Job!!
That's how you do it!! "Pilipino k b?" are you Filipino?

Anyways i think i just made my points clear that NNS CAN TEACH HERE IN CHINA AND WILL ALWAYS BE AROUND CHINA! any argument for this issue will be useless or nonsense this would be my last comment on this site. 

My next comment would be IF a NATIVE SPEAKER would protest and kick my ass off my UNIVERSITY here in CHINA now!! 

Which "WILL NEVER EVER HAPPEN!" anyway....


BWAHAHAHAH!!!!
Ciao!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WOW!!! Nice to hear that im happy 4 you Mr. Roger Moore!!!! Great Job!!<br />
That&#8217;s how you do it!! &#8220;Pilipino k b?&#8221; are you Filipino?</p>
<p>Anyways i think i just made my points clear that NNS CAN TEACH HERE IN CHINA AND WILL ALWAYS BE AROUND CHINA! any argument for this issue will be useless or nonsense this would be my last comment on this site. </p>
<p>My next comment would be IF a NATIVE SPEAKER would protest and kick my ass off my UNIVERSITY here in CHINA now!! </p>
<p>Which &#8220;WILL NEVER EVER HAPPEN!&#8221; anyway&#8230;.</p>
<p>BWAHAHAHAH!!!!<br />
Ciao!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Roger Moore</title>
		<link>http://www.teachabroadchina.com/can-non-native-english-speakers-teach-in-china/#comment-13469</link>
		<dc:creator>Roger Moore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 05:53:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Mr. Easton is just a SICK man and diagnosed to DIE soon. Condolence Mr. Easton.  

Let me tell your poor mind that you can't do anything!. Filipino teachers will continue to shine in China and all over the world because of our teaching expertise        
(" because we are real teachers and great english speakers")! 

Oppppssss.... in case you dont know, i am earning 8500 RMB every month plus my parttime job of 150 RMB per hour. And, not only that... everything is free here including food.... can you beat that?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA..... poor boy....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Mr. Easton is just a SICK man and diagnosed to DIE soon. Condolence Mr. Easton.  </p>
<p>Let me tell your poor mind that you can&#8217;t do anything!. Filipino teachers will continue to shine in China and all over the world because of our teaching expertise<br />
(&#8221; because we are real teachers and great english speakers&#8221;)! </p>
<p>Oppppssss&#8230;. in case you dont know, i am earning 8500 RMB every month plus my parttime job of 150 RMB per hour. And, not only that&#8230; everything is free here including food&#8230;. can you beat that?</p>
<p>HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA&#8230;.. poor boy&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Rather B Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rather B Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 02:16:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can't find any concrete evidence why can't anyone from the country below won't be able to compete any local  Chinese English Teacher in English language proficiency? Of course the salary is another story which I do not mind. 

Mainland Europe, especially Southern Europe and Eastern Europe (incl. Russia).
The Middle East
The Philippines
South Asia (even India, Pakistan etc)
Africa (except South Africa)



Mr Easton, I really find your comment intriguing and I congratulate you for getting my full attention about this. I know this is of no bussiness for me to intervene about this NNS as ESL in China. But as a Filipino citizen who highly have high respects of my English teachers,  I'd like to spill out what I think I'd let you know.

Doing some analysis of different teachers from the countries mentioned above, they  dont have any issues in written but most of them fails in the oral part--- even Chinese English Teachers. I am chinese in blood and in no way trying to offend them Chinese nationals. Chinese people can easily adapt the "american accent" because of their language system and phoenetics. Filipinos CAN too.

I really want to know the root cause of why you're excluding yourself or getting involved with NNS in your school. Take note : chinese teachers teaching there in your local area are NNS as well. You might think twice of what you just said. 

And oh, isn't it so biased that eastern part of asia (excluding PI) is not included in the list of NNS? It got me wondering now.

I'd like to hear your side</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t find any concrete evidence why can&#8217;t anyone from the country below won&#8217;t be able to compete any local  Chinese English Teacher in English language proficiency? Of course the salary is another story which I do not mind. </p>
<p>Mainland Europe, especially Southern Europe and Eastern Europe (incl. Russia).<br />
The Middle East<br />
The Philippines<br />
South Asia (even India, Pakistan etc)<br />
Africa (except South Africa)</p>
<p>Mr Easton, I really find your comment intriguing and I congratulate you for getting my full attention about this. I know this is of no bussiness for me to intervene about this NNS as ESL in China. But as a Filipino citizen who highly have high respects of my English teachers,  I&#8217;d like to spill out what I think I&#8217;d let you know.</p>
<p>Doing some analysis of different teachers from the countries mentioned above, they  dont have any issues in written but most of them fails in the oral part&#8212; even Chinese English Teachers. I am chinese in blood and in no way trying to offend them Chinese nationals. Chinese people can easily adapt the &#8220;american accent&#8221; because of their language system and phoenetics. Filipinos CAN too.</p>
<p>I really want to know the root cause of why you&#8217;re excluding yourself or getting involved with NNS in your school. Take note : chinese teachers teaching there in your local area are NNS as well. You might think twice of what you just said. </p>
<p>And oh, isn&#8217;t it so biased that eastern part of asia (excluding PI) is not included in the list of NNS? It got me wondering now.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d like to hear your side</p>
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		<title>By: Rather B Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rather B Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 01:51:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peter Easton on October 20th, 2008 at 1:27 pm "I know a lot of native-speakers who have taught in the PI. There is a lot of work there for us and you would certainly benefit from a few classes with a proper native-speaking teacher."

Yes, I won't deny that we too have NES teaching in some school all over the Philippines, BUT English teacher is not their profession. Maybe some teaching history ( I had one in my school before), math, etc. As a student of an ESL, I  find NNS to be more effective in teaching since they're the one  can relate more of  how it's  like to learn a second language aside from the mother tongue. That is just according to my experience.
If it's true that you got couple of NES teaching English here in PI, I'm sure it's some schools owned by Chinese/Korean/Japanese nationals.


We have different experience with NES and NNS. I won't blame you if you think that bad of us Filipinos. Maybe you just happened to meet some who didn't meet your requirement or standard of being an ESL. I just don't like how the Filipinos are being belittled in this conversation.

Forgive me if I sound rude before, I should have kept in mind that I'm supposed to respect people older than me.

And about the call center thingie mentioned above, it's just an example why western company outsourced here in the PI.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peter Easton on October 20th, 2008 at 1:27 pm &#8220;I know a lot of native-speakers who have taught in the PI. There is a lot of work there for us and you would certainly benefit from a few classes with a proper native-speaking teacher.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes, I won&#8217;t deny that we too have NES teaching in some school all over the Philippines, BUT English teacher is not their profession. Maybe some teaching history ( I had one in my school before), math, etc. As a student of an ESL, I  find NNS to be more effective in teaching since they&#8217;re the one  can relate more of  how it&#8217;s  like to learn a second language aside from the mother tongue. That is just according to my experience.<br />
If it&#8217;s true that you got couple of NES teaching English here in PI, I&#8217;m sure it&#8217;s some schools owned by Chinese/Korean/Japanese nationals.</p>
<p>We have different experience with NES and NNS. I won&#8217;t blame you if you think that bad of us Filipinos. Maybe you just happened to meet some who didn&#8217;t meet your requirement or standard of being an ESL. I just don&#8217;t like how the Filipinos are being belittled in this conversation.</p>
<p>Forgive me if I sound rude before, I should have kept in mind that I&#8217;m supposed to respect people older than me.</p>
<p>And about the call center thingie mentioned above, it&#8217;s just an example why western company outsourced here in the PI.</p>
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		<title>By: JOSE</title>
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		<dc:creator>JOSE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 07:43:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Except: a) refuse to give you jobs and b) choose to live in Shanghai where NNTs are kept to a minimum.

REALLY? OOOOHHH!!!! SO SCARY!!!!

well guess what were all over China and im teaching in a University FOR 4 YEARS NOW!!
Stick that to your brain!
And i hope that would make you sleep at night!!! BWAHAHAHAH!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Except: a) refuse to give you jobs and b) choose to live in Shanghai where NNTs are kept to a minimum.</p>
<p>REALLY? OOOOHHH!!!! SO SCARY!!!!</p>
<p>well guess what were all over China and im teaching in a University FOR 4 YEARS NOW!!<br />
Stick that to your brain!<br />
And i hope that would make you sleep at night!!! BWAHAHAHAH!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Easton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Easton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 09:55:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>^ A website from a Philippino outsourcing firm promoting it's services is a pretty poor argument at this stage I'm afraid. Since when has working in a call centre doing menial data-entry and dealing with specific requests from native speakers being anything like teaching Chinese people how to speak English? You're barking up the wrong tree here.



"Filipinos and Other NNS can teach in China… And we will be around China FOREVER!!!!
AND THERES NOTHING! OH NOTHING! YOU CAN DO ABOUT THAT!!!!"

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Except: a) refuse to give you jobs and b) choose to live in Shanghai where NNTs are kept to a minimum.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>^ A website from a Philippino outsourcing firm promoting it&#8217;s services is a pretty poor argument at this stage I&#8217;m afraid. Since when has working in a call centre doing menial data-entry and dealing with specific requests from native speakers being anything like teaching Chinese people how to speak English? You&#8217;re barking up the wrong tree here.</p>
<p>&#8220;Filipinos and Other NNS can teach in China… And we will be around China FOREVER!!!!<br />
AND THERES NOTHING! OH NOTHING! YOU CAN DO ABOUT THAT!!!!&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-</p>
<p>Except: a) refuse to give you jobs and b) choose to live in Shanghai where NNTs are kept to a minimum.</p>
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		<title>By: JOSE</title>
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		<dc:creator>JOSE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 08:32:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...just another fact that Filipinos are good english communicators... 

FILIPINOS BETTER CALL CENTER AGENTS
Culture compatibility. English proficiency. Neutral accents. More foreign investors are choosing the Philippines as a base for their offshore customer service facilities because culturally, Filipinos are more Westernized than their Asian neighbors. 

The Philippines was an American colony for almost 50 years and Western business practices have rubbed off on Filipinos. The commercial code of the U.S. is no different from Philippine mercantile laws, such as the bill of lading and negotiable instruments. The Philippines and America have similar requirements for certified public accountants as well.

Filipinos watch American TV and are thus more familiar with the nuances of American English. They also have neutral accents, compared with Indians. When clients dial a 1-800 number, they think they are still talking to an American, when in fact it is a Filipino on the other end. 

In addition, Filipinos are more customer oriented and more patient in handling calls, aside from being helpful and friendly. 

A 1999 regional study conducted by the Australia-based Call Center Research shows that the Philippines invests heavily in keeping the quality of customer service. CRC ranked the Philippines second to Australia. 

http://www.outsourcing.ph/outsource_call_center.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;just another fact that Filipinos are good english communicators&#8230; </p>
<p>FILIPINOS BETTER CALL CENTER AGENTS<br />
Culture compatibility. English proficiency. Neutral accents. More foreign investors are choosing the Philippines as a base for their offshore customer service facilities because culturally, Filipinos are more Westernized than their Asian neighbors. </p>
<p>The Philippines was an American colony for almost 50 years and Western business practices have rubbed off on Filipinos. The commercial code of the U.S. is no different from Philippine mercantile laws, such as the bill of lading and negotiable instruments. The Philippines and America have similar requirements for certified public accountants as well.</p>
<p>Filipinos watch American TV and are thus more familiar with the nuances of American English. They also have neutral accents, compared with Indians. When clients dial a 1-800 number, they think they are still talking to an American, when in fact it is a Filipino on the other end. </p>
<p>In addition, Filipinos are more customer oriented and more patient in handling calls, aside from being helpful and friendly. </p>
<p>A 1999 regional study conducted by the Australia-based Call Center Research shows that the Philippines invests heavily in keeping the quality of customer service. CRC ranked the Philippines second to Australia. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.outsourcing.ph/outsource_call_center.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.outsourcing.ph/outsource_call_center.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: JOSE</title>
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		<dc:creator>JOSE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 07:52:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>.....as far as im concerned there are a lot of Filipinos and other NNS that are as good as Native Speakers. So to answer the question! YES! Filipinos and Other NNS can teach in China... And we will be around China FOREVER!!!! 
AND THERES NOTHING! OH NOTHING! YOU CAN DO ABOUT THAT!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;..as far as im concerned there are a lot of Filipinos and other NNS that are as good as Native Speakers. So to answer the question! YES! Filipinos and Other NNS can teach in China&#8230; And we will be around China FOREVER!!!!<br />
AND THERES NOTHING! OH NOTHING! YOU CAN DO ABOUT THAT!!!!</p>
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