Also cheers to Vance for starting discussions like this anyway. Sorry if I was too sarcastic in my first post.

‘Stick out your tongue; I fear it looks grey!/
Has Frater Concoctopus blessed you today?’

Also, the one-child policy was introduced in 1979, and therefore only accounts for the behaviour of Chinese men in their twenties. The rest are just displaying the effects of the cultural near-vacuum created by the Cultural Revolution.

I suppose sometimes not even living in a foreign country helps dispel people’s unawareness of their own cultural assumptions. Bummer.

You didn’t really appreciate twinmaster’s responses did you? I’m sure you didn’t. I view your article as something equivalent to his earlier rants, devoid of any personal verbal attacks. In any case, I have one moe thing to say.

This time I’m addressing you, twinmaster. I don’t claim to be the know-it-all asian who posts, but Robert was very polite to you in his responses. You had no reason to personally attack him by using words like Asshole and so on. Your method for defeating his idealogical viewpoint is to attack the argument itself. No matter how much of a jerk a person is (no, I don’t view you as a Jerk, Robert), if he says something like 1+1=2, he is right. If you attack him personally saying he’s a retard who had incestual origins, it doesn’t detract from the truth of the statement. I realize you did attack his arguments, but you also attacked him, very severely. Those words used on a superior will seriously get you in trouble. Please keep your cool.

I’m trying to mediate so Twinmaster, you won’t find yourself in a precarious situation with a distinguishable someone in the future. This also proves, that, Robert, we Chinese men can be gentlemen, polite and composed.

Lol, to add to this, the people that I eat with, those old rich dudes, they never say please or thank you, threaten to not pay because of mediocre service, and openly admonish waiters and waitresses who are trying to do their best but make mistakes. It infuriates me, especially as I am related to many of them. You thought I was a foreigner didn’t you? Well I am, but still retain Chinese citizenship. Haha, yes I’m ethnically asian.

Hey! But they’re nice to their family and friends. Only family and friends. Many are openly disrespectful to strangers. I’ve said hello and excuse me to so many of them (in perfect Mandarin Chinese devoid of accent). They don’t respond. Hell, half the time they ignore me. They smoke indoors and cause pollution.

Those few actual polite people are trained, as in Chauffeurs and Waiters. I think more and more people should enroll in this type of job. It FORCES them to be polite. I don’t like rude people.

America has its share too, but people are more outgoing. From my experience, I’ve carried on extended conversations with total strangers about things. I’ve made so many more friends there.

But don’t worry, the situation is improving. As competition for women climbs, men realize they must be the best to wed. Future bachelors who realize their situation are likely to be the most gentlemanly. I went to a simulation high school with my cousin, and the kids there were all very nice. In three days, I had made friends with about a third of the class. They all clapped when I made a speech in English. It’s very nice.

Also, Vance, I sense some hostility to Chinese men. Your articles, the ones I’ve read, you’ve not complimented us once. Only generalized criticisms. Maybe you’re nicer to foreign raised Chinese, but I resent it, because I see it as a type of hypocrisy, and a slight subconscious racist-sexist mentality. Thanks if you read it.

Lol, to add to this, the people that I eat with, those old rich dudes, they never say please or thank you, threaten to not pay because of mediocre service, and openly admonish waiters and waitresses who are trying to do their best but make mistakes. It infuriates me, especially as I am related to many of them. You thought I was a foreigner didn’t you? Well I am, but still retain Chinese citizenship. Haha, yes I’m ethnically asian.

Hey! But they’re nice to their family and friends. Only family and friends. Many are openly disrespectful to strangers. I’ve said hello and excuse me to so many of them (in perfect Mandarin Chinese devoid of accent). They don’t respond. Hell, half the time they ignore me. They smoke indoors and cause pollution.

Those few actual polite people are trained, as in Chauffeurs and Waiters. I think more and more people should enroll in this type of job. It FORCES them to be polite. I don’t like rude people.

America has its share too, but people are more outgoing. From my experience, I’ve carried on extended conversations with total strangers about things. I’ve made so many more friends there.

But don’t worry, the situation is improving. As competition for women climbs, men realize they must be the best to wed. Future bachelors who realize their situation are likely to be the most gentlemanly. I went to a simulation high school with my cousin, and the kids there were all very nice. In three days, I had made friends with about a third of the class. They all clapped when I made a speech in English. It’s very nice.

Also, Vance, I sense some hostility to Chinese men. Your articles, the ones I’ve read, you’ve not complimented us once. Only generalized criticisms. Maybe you’re nicer to foreign raised Chinese, but I resent it, because I see it as a type of hypocrisy, and a slight subconscious racist-sexist (against Chinese men) mentality. Thanks if you read it.

First, welcome back. It’s been a while. And…Happy New Year in advance.

The scenario that you describe does actually still happen where I live. I agree with you. In that situation, it is hard to imagine anyone even being able to give up their seats.

My observations come from my experiences on less crowded buses.

I think that you know, having spent some time on this website, that I do see and appreciate the improvements that have been made in Chinese society. This country has come a long way and I don’t want to lose sight of that. This is the 30 year anniversary of Deng Xiao Ping’s ‘Open Door’ policy which certainly set China on the right path…I celebrate this year along with the Chinese people.

And yes…you are right. This problem will improve with time and I am willing to wait for that time…

Your observation is correct, but not accurately correct. Because you just experienced the short period. And for us, it’s a long period, we have seen the worst case that you may not have seen now.
In the past 30 years, I could see that the trend of being gentlemen is more positive, that means with the economy and education’s development, more and more people are willing to yield seats in the public transportation comparing with the past.
In the past, the bus is the only public transportation in China, in the downtown Shanghai, each bus was crowded as sardine tin and one bus staff at the bus stop had to push passenger (whoever is man or woman, senior or younger) to close the door. Inside the bus, there is no personal space, your feet was the only place you can rely on, sometimes even worse, in that time, people tended to have a seat eagerly to make his/her journey a little bit relaxed. And this kind of bad habit may not be died soon. It takes time to make the change happening.
Comparing with Western sociaty, it’s still long way to go, but I have seen the change. 10 years later, when you take the bus again, I’m sure you could see this change.

I appreciated your action towards that men. I think in this way the sociaty could be improved quickly.

That was the post that I was waiting for, my friend. You completely lost it. You became the offensive person that you tried to accuse me of being. You called me offensive names and you used language that should really have you banned from this site.

Now, even if you did have a good argument for why the post that I made was offensive, you have no ground to stand on. Your last post was highly offensive to me and probably to anyone else reading it. That is what I call pure hypocrisy, my friend.

So it’s not ok for me to make an observation about Chinese culture but it’s ok for you to berate me and call me those names?

Just for disclosure sake, I have requested that your name be put on our moderated list which means we will have to review every post you make now. You simply cannot be trusted anymore to keep the discussion here civil.