Yugung:
1) China never complain about how Japan wrote its own internal history. Only the part that has to do with China and Asia.
2) No country has ever complain about China’s internal history except the Fascist apologists looking for an excuse to revise Japan’s past history of external agression.

RV said I have put words in his mouth.
ok, use ur own words and state clearly how Japan should write about the comfort women and its use of human experiment for Biological weapon.

@Robert,

So if Germany , yb using your logic, revises the history of their persecussion agaisnt Jews, do you think the people in the world can agree that?
First of all, do you support their action?

RV is also argueing that since not all Japanese soldiers were bad there should be a blackout. U will find very few Japanese soldier who had not abuse the comfort women yet that was left out of history books.

Robert says:

You are putting words in my mouth again. You pulled the word “blackout” out of thin air. A blackout would be the complete removal of any information about Japan’s invasion into China from Japanese textbooks. Obviously, that hasn’t happened as the Japanese do acknowledge that they went into China.

Yugung said:

I ve not heard any foreign government complain about Chinese text book except the fascist appologists when they want to justify their own history revision.
I wouldn’t care if US text book call Bush a maths genious. It’s when when you write about ur foreign agression that other nations protest.

If US history were to call the invasion of Iraq “an advancement into Iraqi territory in self defence” and Iraqi civilian casualty were” fabrication by leftists and masochist who wanted to see American fall at the feet of the Iraqi people begging for mercy and forgiveness.” I think future Arab scholars will protest.

Robert Vance says:

You missed my point. What I was attempting to point out is that every country has a hand in writing its own history and often that version of history is very distorted. China has had to rewrite (or omit history) in order to avoid condemning Chairman Mao and the hundreds (if not thousands) of Communist government officials and soldiers who did his bloody bidding. What about Tiananmen square? That is what I would call a real blackout. Frankly, I think that part of the problem is that Japan feels like China is (and has been for a long time) trying to stick its ‘paws’ into Japan’s domestic affairs. Japan does not want to be bullied by China. Maybe if you (and others) stopped whining about modern day Japan, the ‘reconiciliation’ that you are looking for would come quicker. Frankly though, I doubt it. Too many Chinese people are programmed to hate the Japanese and I’m not sure that anything can change that.

Yugung:
The old text book were written by Japanese scholars and had been in use for decades. Their sins were being “leftist” , “unpatriotic” “masochistic” and scaring children. RV is also argueing that since not all Japanese soldiers were bad there should be a blackout. U will find very few Japanese soldier who had not abuse the comfort women yet that was left out of history books.

RV:
many history textbooks in China gloss over the atrocities that were perpetrated on the Chinese people by Chairman Mao and the Communist Party. Millions of people who died of starvation…millions who were thrown in jail, tortured, and killed by other Chinese people? Welcome to the world, Yugung. Countries do have a habit of ‘glossing’ over their mistakes because they want future generations to be able to move on and not be bogged down by what happened in the past. Unfortunately, it seems that you and others hope that future Japanese generations will continually fall at the feet of the Chinese people begging for mercy and forgiveness.

Yugung:
I ve not heard any foreign government complain about Chinese text book except the fascist appologists when they want to justify their own history revision.
I wouldn’t care if US text book call Bush a maths genious. It’s when when you write about ur foreign agression that other nations protest.

If US history were to call the invasion of Iraq “an advancement into Iraqi territory in self defence” and Iraqi civilian casualty were” fabrication by leftists and masochist who wanted to see American fall at the feet of the Iraqi people begging for mercy and forgiveness.” I think future Arab scholars will protest.

I appreciate the information that you posted (although a source would be nice). Like I said before, I have never looked inside of a Japanese textbook…

Again though, what exactly do you expect the Japanese to write in their textbooks about the invasion? Yes, Japan did a very bad thing and the world knows it. But how would you write the history books that are being used for these new generations? You would probably want to make sure that every child felt horrible and guilty about what happened. You would probably want to make them hate their great grandparents. Don’t forget…not every Japanese soldier was involved in the horrible atrocities that took place in China. Some did think that they were on an honorable mission…

I have gotten an inside look into some of the textbooks in China. While curriculum varies from province to province and even city to city it is interesting to note how many history textbooks in China gloss over the atrocities that were perpetrated on the Chinese people by Chairman Mao and the Communist Party. Millions of people who died of starvation…millions who were thrown in jail, tortured, and killed by other Chinese people? Welcome to the world, Yugung. Countries do have a habit of ‘glossing’ over their mistakes because they want future generations to be able to move on and not be bogged down by what happened in the past. Unfortunately, it seems that you and others hope that future Japanese generations will continually fall at the feet of the Chinese people begging for mercy and forgiveness.

“No one denies it OK? ”

I had a Japanese colleague before. It happened we talked about this question which I was cautious. And I got his opinion was all of Chinese killed in Nanjing were military people, no civilians. So called civilians were those who took off the uniform and acted themselves as civilians. And he denied the number and only accepted thounsands who were killed during fight.

So that’s what you called “No one denies it”.

To respect he was my colleague, I stopped such topic with him. But I could see one thing that it’s the real situation Japan didn’t tell the truth to their people.

Thanks for providing this information in English. Most of Asian people knew Japanese tried to change the history. But Westerner tried to ignore such things.

@Robert,

Calling you ignorant because you didn’t know the above information that Yugung provided.
Calling you ignorant because many Japanese civilian were killed by Japanese soldier due to their “Warrior spirit”.
Calling you ignorant because you didn’t really understand what the real Chinese culture is.
Please try to talk in Chinese and read in Chinese so that we can contact more information instead of just information from Western world. Once you are bilingual, you could compare both side information.
You always try to use Western thought to explain Asian culture. You are unable to use Chinese culture to explain Chinese affair.

I’ve never said US is evil. But I do opponent US imposed by force for the other country to accept their “Democracy”, especially the Iraq war.

Yugung:
Japan’s text book reform was the work of a right wing group with strong link to the ruling LDP called the Society for History Textbook Reform.
They believe that Japan was not the aggressor in World War II but the liberator, fighting to defend itself from the U.S. and European powers and free Asia from the yoke of white colonialism; Imperial troops were not guilty, as most historians suggest, of some of the worst war crimes of the 20th century but the “normal excesses” of armies everywhere; Japan’s “masochistic” emphasis on atonement is leading to the “moral decline” of its young. Thus the need to revise the existing history teaching.
The Society submitted its own 337-page New History textbook for approval for use in high schools by the Japanese Ministry of Education in late 2000. The highlights of the first draft are:
1) the Japanese invasion of Asia was called the “war in Asia and the Pacific” and the word “invasion” (shinryaku) changed to “advancement” (shinshutsu), or replaced with neutral phases like “extension of the battle line” (sensen o kakudai).
2) References to Unit 731, a bio-warfare unit that most authoritative researchers claim caused thousands of Chinese deaths, were dropped.
3) The 1937 Nanjing massacre, when some historians estimate imperial troops slaughtered thousands of Chinese civilians, was changed to the “Nanjing incident” and the number of casualties downplayed, with the implication that China fabricated the episode.
4) References to “comfort women,” or an estimated 100,000-200,000 sexual slaves from across Asia forced to service imperial troops, were not included. The comfort women, said Professor Fujioka (vice chairman) in a famous essay, were prostitutes and “There is no need to teach children these kinds of facts.”

Stop assuming what I do or do not know. You do know me. You do not know what I know. Calling me ignorant only makes it seem that you have no argument. I am not Chinese but that does not mean that I have NOT studied history. For some reason, too many people think that just because they are Chinese, they are automatically right and everyone else is wrong when it comes to Chinese history.

I know all about the Japanese people who were repatriated back to Japan after World War ii. Incidentally, you forget to mention that the USA worked with China and Japan to help make this happen. But of course, you wouldn’t mention that would you because America only ever causes evil in the world, right?

I appreciate the fact that these Japanese people were repatriated and I appreciate the fact that so many orphans (thousands as you mentioned) were adopted. However, you fail to mention the fact that by other people, the Japanese were treated very badly. There are also stories of civilian Japanese (post World War ii) being beaten and driven out of their cities. While I recognize that people were obviously very angry at the Japanese and for good reason, don’t try to make it sound like it was a cakewalk for Japanese people in China after World War ii.

I reject your argument that I only saw the anger of youth and thought it was hatred. When someone says that they hate something or someone, what does that mean to you? Don’t try to downplay the hate that people here still have against the Japanese. People like you want the Japanese to rewrite their history books so that little Japanese children grow up thinking that they should hate themselves for what happened in World War ii. You want future generations of Japanese people to feel incredible guilt even though they had nothing to do with what happened.

And you are exaggerating when you state “If Japanese said that they didn’t attack Pearl harbor, do you think American will not become angry?” The Japanese don’t deny that they attacked China. They can’t deny that they attacked Nanjing. No one denies it OK? I haven’t seen the textbooks personally, but the conversations that I have had with Japanese people, they are VERY aware of what happened in Nanjing and NO one is proud of it.