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“But with little support from fellow Tibetans they often fell to the hands of the PLA quickly.”

This is from the secret war in Yugung’s 204 comments, also you could find it from Wiki which I have posted for you.

What does it mean “LITTLE SUPPORT FROM FELLOW TIBETANS”? That means most of tibetans didn’t support those for independence, they didn’t support Dalai and CIA’s action. How do you understand these words? Please read carefully and think about it in more depth.

Glad to see that you have made progress on acknowledge about the existent of Serfdom. Please ask Dalai about it. Did he say that to you? So you know that Dalai could lie to the world. Is that right? If he could lie on this, why didn’t he lie on the other things? Think about it carefully. (also please look at your post before, how confident you have belived that serfdom didn’t exist in the past. Just remind you that you have other confident belief which will be proved as lie as time is going. It will not be the first case, believe me)

I think you have enough information from Dalai and your media side. I think you should learn some information from opposite side. If you are the judge, you should know information from both sides in that you could make your own judgement, is that right? I used this way to find the truth.

Chinese government have been continuing to ask Dalai to do some system reform to eliminate serfdom, but didn’t setup the deadline. This document you could find from Mao’s works or the Chinese government document.

It’s Dalai and its aristocrats who were unwilling to give up the old system which resulted in riots in 1959.

Were the tibetan serfs who were liberated not happy? Don’t cheat yourself about that. Only Dalai and the descendent of aristocrats are not happy.

Sara said: “If you look at the other thread, I have posted a few comments about what is happening in schools in Tibet for Tibetan children, it is so sad.”

You just heard about that. It’s not the truth. Someone lied to you , you just buy it. Don’t be so easily fooled by such kind of information.

Unfortunately, Tibetans ARE forced to hang up pictures of Mao, and other CCP members too, like Hu Jintao. Look at the other thread ‘Beijing slams Britain for meeting Dalai Lama’ - I have posted a comment there about it.

There are many such websites where this information can be found. Maybe the chinese are not forced to put up picutres of the CCP and Mao, but Tibetans are being forced to.

Also, I actually agreed with you that serfdom existed in Tibet, I said so before, but what I also said was that not only did serfdom exist in other countries too (we had serfdom here in the U.K. in the past) …..

but my point I was trying to make to you was this: The 17 point agreement does not mention anything about the PLA liberating Tibet from serfdom. Apparently, Tibet was to be liberated from ‘imperalist forces’ - even though at that time there were only 7 foreigners in Tibet, none of whom were military people trying to invade Tibet.

Yugung has stated that the agreement was signed to ‘avoid further blood-shed’ although he/she has never explained this ‘theory’.

The point is Jason, Tibetans are NOT happy with the chinese running their country. They feel persecuted, threatened and above everything else, they want the Dalai Lama to rule Tibet, not the chinese.

If you look at the other thread, I have posted a few comments about what is happening in schools in Tibet for Tibetan children, it is so sad.

Forget about serfdom Jason - that isn’t the issue. Tibetans want the chinese to leave Tibet - that’s what they are saying.

If serfdom was so terrible in Tibet, then the Tibetans would surely be thankful to the chinese for releasing them of serfdom. But this is not what they are saying.

There really has been NO liberation of Tibet. The chinese invaded and ever since the Tibetans lives have not been happy. The so-called ‘liberation’ has not worked has it?

I think if anyone should try and start thinking logically Jason, it’s you. I’m not trying to be horrible to you, it’s just that you refuse to acknowledge that Tibetans are very unhappy and they really want the chinese to leave Tibet.

The CIA’s Secret War in Tibet
By Kenneth Conboy and James Morrison (JAMES MORRISON was a thirty-year Army veteran and the training officer for the CIA)

Excerpt:
“”from 1957 to 1972, in the United States, and parachuted them( Tibetan guerrilas) back into Tibet to organize rebellions against the PLA. But with little support from fellow Tibetans they often fell to the hands of the PLA quickly. In one incident, one agent was immediately reported by his own brother and all three agents in the team were arrested. They were not mistreated. After less than a month of propaganda sessions they were escorted to the Indian border and released. The CIA’s Secret War in Tibet”

Fact is fact.
You don’t believe the fact doesn’t mean what I’m saying is not the fact. I’ve never insulted anyone but telling the truth.

I want to answer you the question about “Why are the Tibetans not saying thank you to the chinese government for freeing them from serfdom?” I told you actually many serfs said thanks to the Chairman mao and the portrait hanging there is the evidence.

We Hans are not forced by government to hang Mao’s portraits. How could government force Tibetan to hang? Use your logic thinking.

Sara, you denied the serfdom existent in the past, you denied that the tibetan hanging Mao’s portrait. You just believe what Dalai told you. What’s your independent thinking. I sent you the pictures, articles by other westerns, the sourcing not from government, you still denied. Is it really right attitude to find the truth? I doubt about it.

I’ve viewed the western media, viewed the Dalai’s website, viewed the Chinese government’s website, viewed the chinese dissedent’s articles about Tibet. I have viewed all of both Chinese and English website about tibet issue. With all of those information, most of the Chinese government’s documentary could be proved as correct by other source of information whereas most materials from Dalai could be proved as wrong. I have been to the Tibetan living area (not TAR). Do you think I’m still not the independent thinker?

Dalai and most of earlier exile tibetan belonged to the group of Aristocrats whose advantages were deprived. How could those guy saying anything good about China?But Lots of serfs were liberated, of course they thanked Mao. Until now, you didn’t and perhaps you don’t want to hear about their voice, but those voices are the real tibetans’.

Sara, to bury your head under sand is useless. It can not change the fact. No one can prevent you supporting the cause you believe is correct. But some years later, when you find someone have cheated you and your cause was wrong, I wonder what’s your feeling at that time.

Sara said: “Harmful? Why can’t the chinese citizens decide for themselves what is harmful and what is not harmful? ”

Actually for well educated person, it’s not the problem. But for blind believe person like you, there is some harmful, rumors can be spreaded very quickly. That’s why government will block those website which tells more lies.
If western media don’t create more rumors, Chinese government will free more websites. That’s the truth.

Do you believe 1million Massacre of Tibetan still existed?
Do you believe 2million forced evication still existed?

I agree with Robert - if there are Tibetans who have a portrait of Mao in their home, it will be because they have been forced to, by the chinese.

There is just NO WAY that a Buddhist Tibetan would WILLINGLY hang up a portrait of Mao in their home - there’s just no way!

And Jason - you INSULT the Tibetans - they most definately do NOT see Mao as their saviour. They never have and they never will. You are 100% wrong!

How on earth could you think such a thing? To the Tibetans, the Dalai Lama is their saviour - their ONLY saviour - always has been, always will be.

And you are wrong to say that here in the West we have no individual thinking - of course we do. Unlike the chinese, we have the freedom to think for ourselves.

We don’t all believe everything the media tells us, not at all. But quite often, the media who documents what is going on in Tibet and China, for example, CAN be backed up with proof and evidence.

It is in China that individual thinking isn’t allowed - and you said it yourself Jason - some websites are blocked in China because the CCP think it is harmful.

Harmful? Why can’t the chinese citizens decide for themselves what is harmful and what is not harmful?

If a person is not allowed to think for themselves, and is not allowed to decide for themselves, how can this person grow up to be an individual?

Jason, please don’t insult the Tibetans again with your nonsense about Mao being their saviour. This is a REALLY BAD thing to say.

@Sara,

Is it ridiculous that Buhda and Mao’s portraits are together on the wall? Before you see this picture, you may say it’s liar at all. But it’s true in Tibet.

Please take a look the picture. Do you think it looks like forced? Do you know that there are so many travlers who have blogs saying that, not from the government. It’s because you don’t understand Chinese, you are unable to find this kind of information. My sister has been there and she confirmed it too.

Actually most of Hans don’t hang Mao’s portrait. But tibetan still hang the portrait. No one in China was forced by government to hang Mao’s portrait.

Please learn Chinese, then you know what really Chineses are talking about.

If you hired a tibetan guide to climb everest mountain, do you think any policemen still follow you? Do you think you are not free to talk with him?

Do you know how many of those tibetan who said the above? As I know, it’s just a small portion.

Robert says:

Jason, sometimes it surprises me how little you actually know about what is going on in Tibet. It is more or less like a police state in some places. How many Tibetans do you think would dare to tell the Chinese to leave them alone considering the likely consequences? The best way to survive in Tibet is to keep one’s mouth shut.

Jason said,

Do you know some Tibetan family still hanging Mao’s Portrait? Why? Because they still regard him as great savior. No one told you about that, I’m sure. Actually there are so many Tibetans still appreciating it, just because you didn’t know about it. You have been “educated” by your media and by Dalai too deeply.

Robert says:

Really? There are Tibetans hanging Mao’s portrait? And where exactly did you obtain that information? Have you seen it for yourself? Let me guess…you watched a documentary on CCTV about it? Saw it in a Chinese newspaper? Sure, there may be a few brainwashed Tibetans with portraits of Chairman Mao in their houses but such a display would more than likely make them very unpopular with their friends and neighbors. It is much more likely than Tibetans who display a portrait of Chairman Mao were forced to do so by the Chinese government…