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		<title>By: Jason</title>
		<link>http://www.teachabroadchina.com/north-korea-60th-anniversary-china-human-rights/comment-page-1/#comment-19748</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Dec 2008 07:58:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lee Wee Shing should avoid this page because he is obviously anti-everything-that&#039;s-not-Chinese and blinded by paranoia and hatred.</description>
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		<title>By: Ivan Grozny</title>
		<link>http://www.teachabroadchina.com/north-korea-60th-anniversary-china-human-rights/comment-page-1/#comment-8027</link>
		<dc:creator>Ivan Grozny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 02:55:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Mr. Lee Wee Shing,


Piss off, 愤青 C-borg. 

Regards,

Ivan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Mr. Lee Wee Shing,</p>
<p>Piss off, 愤青 C-borg. </p>
<p>Regards,</p>
<p>Ivan</p>
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		<title>By: Ivan Grozny</title>
		<link>http://www.teachabroadchina.com/north-korea-60th-anniversary-china-human-rights/comment-page-1/#comment-7753</link>
		<dc:creator>Ivan Grozny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Sep 2008 14:24:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Mr. Lee Wee Shing,

Piss off, 愤青 C-borg. 

Regards,

Ivan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Mr. Lee Wee Shing,</p>
<p>Piss off, 愤青 C-borg. </p>
<p>Regards,</p>
<p>Ivan</p>
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		<title>By: Lee Wee Shing</title>
		<link>http://www.teachabroadchina.com/north-korea-60th-anniversary-china-human-rights/comment-page-1/#comment-7567</link>
		<dc:creator>Lee Wee Shing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 04:40:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First of all, we ain&#039;t fenqing, c-borg &amp; all those sorts of craps that you guys so easily dismiss. We actually have studied, worked &amp; lived for long period of time in the west &amp; we seem to understand every bits &amp; pieces of the western psyches. The first thing that we do each morning is to browse through some of your so-called mainstream papers like N Y Times, Financial Times, Times Mag etc... We consider it an utter insult to label us as CCP-indoctrinated robots,  or a by product of CCP propaganda.

It never amazes us just how naive you guys never seem to change over the last hundreds of years! Are we still being reminded about those bad old days when it becomes, somehow strangely, the white man&#039;s burden to spread your allegedly superior civilisational/religious enlightenment to the savages all across your vast empire? Yes, you may have your so-called democracy, human rights, prosperity blah blah... all right (gosh! good luck but just keep it for yourselves; on second thought though, even these were built upon the loots your ancestors who scouted all around the globe), while N Korea may have been failing in many respects due to one reason or another, just what in your benevolent, albeit naive frame of mind that you think it has become your devined duty to interfere so as to relieve them of their misery? History has taught us that foreign meddlings will never solve any problem but will instead execerbate its severity.  Do you once again want regime change as what you have done in Afghanistan &amp; Iraq? Are there not any more human sufferings already in these 2 basket cases? Your mere suggestion of the above really arouse our disgust &amp; indignation just like those arse holes like Mia Farrow, Richard Gere etc on issues like Dafur, Zimbabwe, Myanmar etc. Are you so thick as not to have understood these sacred clauses enshrined in the UN Charter like &#039;respect for each sovereign state, non interference on each other&#039;s internal affairs&#039;?  Yes, you may offer to help them in good faith but dressing them down or condemnation in a superiority manner are absolutely toxic &amp; unwelcomed. N Korea&#039;s political, social system is really none of your or, as a matter of fact, our business. We shall leave it to the local Koreans to decide on their own fate. Anyway, why should the rest of the world hold the same interpretation on issues like human rights, freedom, democracy as what the West would like us to believe? Shouldn&#039;t you guys start to respect the diversity of views, much the same way like eco/bio diversity etc? Do direct your compassions, if you really care, for the poor Koreans through Oxfam, WFP &amp; other bona fide UN relief agencies.

Chinese people&#039;s fixation about the CIA represents an all too mild description of this nest of evil. For the world wide victims of the ruthless schemmings &amp;  machinations of this devil, nothing will ever lift our immense hatred other than live skinnings if ever these operatives fall onto our bare hands. Of course, the pepetrators shall never be expected to share the same feeling as the victims in any such case. 

No, you are absolutely not restrained from saying your piece here or any where else. We just reserve our right to refute your insinuation of the &#039;oppressiveness&#039; of the N Korean state. Mind you, a great deal of your information on N Korea is false, they are deliberately being misled by your politically-motivated WESTERN MEDIA ( just like many of those shits about China)!!!  Even assuming they may be true, then again one must understand the historical context why this has come about.

Leader or not come what may, China will never behave like those Occidental beasts ranging from Spain, Portugal, Netherland, French, British &amp; American rampaging like pirates building their empires in those dark old days.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First of all, we ain&#8217;t fenqing, c-borg &amp; all those sorts of craps that you guys so easily dismiss. We actually have studied, worked &amp; lived for long period of time in the west &amp; we seem to understand every bits &amp; pieces of the western psyches. The first thing that we do each morning is to browse through some of your so-called mainstream papers like N Y Times, Financial Times, Times Mag etc&#8230; We consider it an utter insult to label us as CCP-indoctrinated robots,  or a by product of CCP propaganda.</p>
<p>It never amazes us just how naive you guys never seem to change over the last hundreds of years! Are we still being reminded about those bad old days when it becomes, somehow strangely, the white man&#8217;s burden to spread your allegedly superior civilisational/religious enlightenment to the savages all across your vast empire? Yes, you may have your so-called democracy, human rights, prosperity blah blah&#8230; all right (gosh! good luck but just keep it for yourselves; on second thought though, even these were built upon the loots your ancestors who scouted all around the globe), while N Korea may have been failing in many respects due to one reason or another, just what in your benevolent, albeit naive frame of mind that you think it has become your devined duty to interfere so as to relieve them of their misery? History has taught us that foreign meddlings will never solve any problem but will instead execerbate its severity.  Do you once again want regime change as what you have done in Afghanistan &amp; Iraq? Are there not any more human sufferings already in these 2 basket cases? Your mere suggestion of the above really arouse our disgust &amp; indignation just like those arse holes like Mia Farrow, Richard Gere etc on issues like Dafur, Zimbabwe, Myanmar etc. Are you so thick as not to have understood these sacred clauses enshrined in the UN Charter like &#8216;respect for each sovereign state, non interference on each other&#8217;s internal affairs&#8217;?  Yes, you may offer to help them in good faith but dressing them down or condemnation in a superiority manner are absolutely toxic &amp; unwelcomed. N Korea&#8217;s political, social system is really none of your or, as a matter of fact, our business. We shall leave it to the local Koreans to decide on their own fate. Anyway, why should the rest of the world hold the same interpretation on issues like human rights, freedom, democracy as what the West would like us to believe? Shouldn&#8217;t you guys start to respect the diversity of views, much the same way like eco/bio diversity etc? Do direct your compassions, if you really care, for the poor Koreans through Oxfam, WFP &amp; other bona fide UN relief agencies.</p>
<p>Chinese people&#8217;s fixation about the CIA represents an all too mild description of this nest of evil. For the world wide victims of the ruthless schemmings &amp;  machinations of this devil, nothing will ever lift our immense hatred other than live skinnings if ever these operatives fall onto our bare hands. Of course, the pepetrators shall never be expected to share the same feeling as the victims in any such case. </p>
<p>No, you are absolutely not restrained from saying your piece here or any where else. We just reserve our right to refute your insinuation of the &#8216;oppressiveness&#8217; of the N Korean state. Mind you, a great deal of your information on N Korea is false, they are deliberately being misled by your politically-motivated WESTERN MEDIA ( just like many of those shits about China)!!!  Even assuming they may be true, then again one must understand the historical context why this has come about.</p>
<p>Leader or not come what may, China will never behave like those Occidental beasts ranging from Spain, Portugal, Netherland, French, British &amp; American rampaging like pirates building their empires in those dark old days.</p>
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		<title>By: Ivan Grozny</title>
		<link>http://www.teachabroadchina.com/north-korea-60th-anniversary-china-human-rights/comment-page-1/#comment-7435</link>
		<dc:creator>Ivan Grozny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 13:47:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Vance,

You&#039;re being much more considerate and understanding of this guy than he probably deserves. I would go for the more direct tactic:

&quot;Dear Mr. Lee Wee Shing,

Piss off, 愤青 C-borg. 

Regards,

Ivan&quot;

Seriously, these guys can&#039;t be argued with. They aren&#039;t willing to think and certainly aren&#039;t willing to accept any new ideas which don&#039;t fit with their pre-existing views; they&#039;re walking, talking gramophones with only the barest understanding of logic or independent thought. It&#039;s better to ignore them and focus on those Chinese who show even the slightest willingness to accept new ideas not drilled into them from birth by the CCP, in the hopes that as China becomes more and more open people with this guy&#039;s mentality will go the way of the Red Guards.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Vance,</p>
<p>You&#8217;re being much more considerate and understanding of this guy than he probably deserves. I would go for the more direct tactic:</p>
<p>&#8220;Dear Mr. Lee Wee Shing,</p>
<p>Piss off, 愤青 C-borg. </p>
<p>Regards,</p>
<p>Ivan&#8221;</p>
<p>Seriously, these guys can&#8217;t be argued with. They aren&#8217;t willing to think and certainly aren&#8217;t willing to accept any new ideas which don&#8217;t fit with their pre-existing views; they&#8217;re walking, talking gramophones with only the barest understanding of logic or independent thought. It&#8217;s better to ignore them and focus on those Chinese who show even the slightest willingness to accept new ideas not drilled into them from birth by the CCP, in the hopes that as China becomes more and more open people with this guy&#8217;s mentality will go the way of the Red Guards.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Vance</title>
		<link>http://www.teachabroadchina.com/north-korea-60th-anniversary-china-human-rights/comment-page-1/#comment-7302</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Vance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 13:11:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Lee Wee Shing,

Look, I hope I am wrong about this but it seems like you are just another Chinese person who could care less about people suffering around the world as long as you have food to eat and a place over your head. You seem to be so typical of the attitude here about North Korea. Complete denial that anything is wrong even though there is a MOUNTAIN of evidence that entire generations are being put to death there just for disagreeing with the government.

As is usual, you bring up history to try to take the focus off what is happening today. You are right, the Anglo Saxon race has done many bad things but we are talking about NOW. There are people in North Korea who are starving to death and being tortured in prisons because of Kim Jong-Il&#039;s evil regime. Who am I to judge? I am a HUMAN BEING who hates to think of other people suffering under the rule of tyranny. 

Did you read my article completely? Apparently not! I am not calling for the WEST to get involved in North Korea. I am calling for CHINA to get involved because they are North Korea&#039;s closest friend in the region. I am not even calling for REUNIFICATION. I am calling for the Chinese government to take a stand and help improve the human rights situation in North Korea. Is that too much to ask? Apparently it is, because the Chinese government is more concerned with STABILITY in the region than human lives. If you guys want to be leaders in ASIA, then LEAD. Don&#039;t just sit there and watch people die because it serves your interest. 

Again, you come off with a stereotypical bunch of hogwash about the CIA. What is it with you and other Chinese people&#039;s fixation with the CIA? Am I not allowed to have an opinion? Wait, this is China. I guess I&#039;M NOT allowed to have an opinion. I have to sit here and listen to people here spout off their political views but I am not allowed to respond, right? What about Chinese people in the US who have protested against &quot;Free Tibet&quot; this year. isn&#039;t that engaging in PRO-Chinese politking? As is usual, you come up with some conspiracy theory that I am with the CIA just because I have an opinion that differs from yours. 

I could care less about PRO Western politiking. What I am doing here is PRO LIFE politiking! You got a problem with that? Do you have a problem with me caring about people who are suffering in North Korea? 

FYI, I do NOT engage in political discussions with my students unless they bring politics up. Talking about what is happening in North Korea is not a POLITICAL discussion. It is a discussion about another country that is in desperate need of some help. 

I don&#039;t mind having a disagreement with you about this but please don&#039;t bring the CIA into this, ok? Can we talk like two normal human beings without having to resort to such foolishness?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Lee Wee Shing,</p>
<p>Look, I hope I am wrong about this but it seems like you are just another Chinese person who could care less about people suffering around the world as long as you have food to eat and a place over your head. You seem to be so typical of the attitude here about North Korea. Complete denial that anything is wrong even though there is a MOUNTAIN of evidence that entire generations are being put to death there just for disagreeing with the government.</p>
<p>As is usual, you bring up history to try to take the focus off what is happening today. You are right, the Anglo Saxon race has done many bad things but we are talking about NOW. There are people in North Korea who are starving to death and being tortured in prisons because of Kim Jong-Il&#8217;s evil regime. Who am I to judge? I am a HUMAN BEING who hates to think of other people suffering under the rule of tyranny. </p>
<p>Did you read my article completely? Apparently not! I am not calling for the WEST to get involved in North Korea. I am calling for CHINA to get involved because they are North Korea&#8217;s closest friend in the region. I am not even calling for REUNIFICATION. I am calling for the Chinese government to take a stand and help improve the human rights situation in North Korea. Is that too much to ask? Apparently it is, because the Chinese government is more concerned with STABILITY in the region than human lives. If you guys want to be leaders in ASIA, then LEAD. Don&#8217;t just sit there and watch people die because it serves your interest. </p>
<p>Again, you come off with a stereotypical bunch of hogwash about the CIA. What is it with you and other Chinese people&#8217;s fixation with the CIA? Am I not allowed to have an opinion? Wait, this is China. I guess I&#8217;M NOT allowed to have an opinion. I have to sit here and listen to people here spout off their political views but I am not allowed to respond, right? What about Chinese people in the US who have protested against &#8220;Free Tibet&#8221; this year. isn&#8217;t that engaging in PRO-Chinese politking? As is usual, you come up with some conspiracy theory that I am with the CIA just because I have an opinion that differs from yours. </p>
<p>I could care less about PRO Western politiking. What I am doing here is PRO LIFE politiking! You got a problem with that? Do you have a problem with me caring about people who are suffering in North Korea? </p>
<p>FYI, I do NOT engage in political discussions with my students unless they bring politics up. Talking about what is happening in North Korea is not a POLITICAL discussion. It is a discussion about another country that is in desperate need of some help. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t mind having a disagreement with you about this but please don&#8217;t bring the CIA into this, ok? Can we talk like two normal human beings without having to resort to such foolishness?</p>
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		<title>By: Lee Wee Shing</title>
		<link>http://www.teachabroadchina.com/north-korea-60th-anniversary-china-human-rights/comment-page-1/#comment-7262</link>
		<dc:creator>Lee Wee Shing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 10:45:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are so obnoxious to state that N Korea is an opprressive state. What makes you think you have the moral high ground to judge others? Looking back at your Caucasian history, you Anglo Saxon race has the most evil-to-the-core history for unleashing your untold crimes against all humanity not of the white kind.

N Korea may be backward economically at this moment of history because it is being sanctioned by the evil West.  Still, there is no mass murder of its citizens &amp; there is stability in the country. You should respect every one&#039;s right to have his/her own form of government &amp; social system, never mind the system is good or not.

Why is N Korea so important to us Chinese? If N Korea is absorbed into the western sphere of influence, what a nightmare this will present for each time we wake up &amp; open our window to let in some fresh air, we will come face to face with the ugly American GIs staring at us with his M16s! All our heavy industries in our Northeast will be under the direct range of American artillaries &amp; there will be listening posts dotted all around the land scape peeping into every conceivable military moves we conduct. If N Korea is absorbed into one Korea under the West-leaning S Korea, gosh we will have another Vietnam or worse, hostile Japan on our right flange. This scenario is definitely not what we would like to contemplate not if we can held it in a thousand years!

My advice to the author is to keep to your term as a good teacher &amp; not engage in pro western politiking on Chinese soil. Who knows who might be on the CIA payroll like Mr Putin alleged one fellow American teacher in Guangdong as the American agent who actually flew &amp; bombed S Ossetia during the Georgian conflict. I am sure our counter intelligence units are not damn fools &amp; they should know who is who posing as innocent teachers/foreign experts in China.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are so obnoxious to state that N Korea is an opprressive state. What makes you think you have the moral high ground to judge others? Looking back at your Caucasian history, you Anglo Saxon race has the most evil-to-the-core history for unleashing your untold crimes against all humanity not of the white kind.</p>
<p>N Korea may be backward economically at this moment of history because it is being sanctioned by the evil West.  Still, there is no mass murder of its citizens &amp; there is stability in the country. You should respect every one&#8217;s right to have his/her own form of government &amp; social system, never mind the system is good or not.</p>
<p>Why is N Korea so important to us Chinese? If N Korea is absorbed into the western sphere of influence, what a nightmare this will present for each time we wake up &amp; open our window to let in some fresh air, we will come face to face with the ugly American GIs staring at us with his M16s! All our heavy industries in our Northeast will be under the direct range of American artillaries &amp; there will be listening posts dotted all around the land scape peeping into every conceivable military moves we conduct. If N Korea is absorbed into one Korea under the West-leaning S Korea, gosh we will have another Vietnam or worse, hostile Japan on our right flange. This scenario is definitely not what we would like to contemplate not if we can held it in a thousand years!</p>
<p>My advice to the author is to keep to your term as a good teacher &amp; not engage in pro western politiking on Chinese soil. Who knows who might be on the CIA payroll like Mr Putin alleged one fellow American teacher in Guangdong as the American agent who actually flew &amp; bombed S Ossetia during the Georgian conflict. I am sure our counter intelligence units are not damn fools &amp; they should know who is who posing as innocent teachers/foreign experts in China.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Vance</title>
		<link>http://www.teachabroadchina.com/north-korea-60th-anniversary-china-human-rights/comment-page-1/#comment-7200</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Vance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 03:05:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@J.macklby,

Exasperating is definitely the right word. I have even heard some people here wonder why the U.S. doesn&#039;t take care of the problem in North Korea? Right. Whenever there is a problem in the world, it is our responsibility to fix. Whenever we try to fix a problem we get blasted. I guess that&#039;s what happens when you&#039;re a world power.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@J.macklby,</p>
<p>Exasperating is definitely the right word. I have even heard some people here wonder why the U.S. doesn&#8217;t take care of the problem in North Korea? Right. Whenever there is a problem in the world, it is our responsibility to fix. Whenever we try to fix a problem we get blasted. I guess that&#8217;s what happens when you&#8217;re a world power.</p>
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		<title>By: j.macklby</title>
		<link>http://www.teachabroadchina.com/north-korea-60th-anniversary-china-human-rights/comment-page-1/#comment-7193</link>
		<dc:creator>j.macklby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 02:13:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, I&#039;ve noticed that  quite a few Chinese living in the West,especially those still somewhat  newly arrived, also have a very &#039; non-chalant&#039; ,  &#039;don&#039;t get involved&#039; attitude towards the  27 long years of Mao&#039;s barbarism, as well as the atrocities that continue in North Korea even now, in the 21st century. - &#039;Not my problem&#039; they typically reply, conceding only that  perhaps  some of Mao&#039;s or Kim&#039;s underlings  &#039;made some mistakes&#039;, or  &#039;didn&#039;t  follow orders correctly&#039;.- It&#039;s   exasperating  for most Western people to hear this tripe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I&#8217;ve noticed that  quite a few Chinese living in the West,especially those still somewhat  newly arrived, also have a very &#8216; non-chalant&#8217; ,  &#8216;don&#8217;t get involved&#8217; attitude towards the  27 long years of Mao&#8217;s barbarism, as well as the atrocities that continue in North Korea even now, in the 21st century. &#8211; &#8216;Not my problem&#8217; they typically reply, conceding only that  perhaps  some of Mao&#8217;s or Kim&#8217;s underlings  &#8216;made some mistakes&#8217;, or  &#8216;didn&#8217;t  follow orders correctly&#8217;.- It&#8217;s   exasperating  for most Western people to hear this tripe.</p>
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