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Jason Ding said:

“Jason, those hypocrtical activists in the West will always and forever complain and condemn China when their own backyard has a lot more garbage, stench and flies. As the confucious wisdom says ” broken rotten eggs will naturally attract flies” Is this not correct? These activists don't even know that their rotten broken eggs are foul with disgusting smell.”

I think most of Chinese totally agree with you.

Hypocrisy behavior should really be condemned by all of people in the world. But we have seen this really happened in this world. I like the author Goldstein who did so much research on Tibet history and talk in a book. Unlike those other organization which knows nothing or few about Tibet but shouting out “Democracy” and “Human Rights”.

Jason Ding,

I often hear of politicians accusing China of currency manipulation for economic competitive advantage. That again is another ABSOLUTE HOAX. If you traced back to contemporary economic history dating back to the Asian currency crisis, I know China conducted itself with unimaginable degree of restraint and reponsible leadership. When hedge funds speculators crashed foreign exchange markets across Asia in 1997, booming Asian economies tumbled like a pack of card. and currency devalued so suddenly by a massive quantum in quick succession. Korea, Thailand, Malaysia and Indonesia was reduced to rubble of bankruptcy and poverty. Singapore and Hong Kong badly shaken. The plus side of that currency crisis is massive devaluation of currencies outside China made their export a lot more competitive in export markets of Japan, Europe and North America. Chinese exporters will face huge pressures in international competitiveness unless the Chinese Yuan devalued by nearly the same proportion. I will NEVER FORGET THOSE TERRIFYING MOMENTS. My close business associate lost over 100 million rmb equivalent in few months (IMAGINE OVER 15 YEARS OF HARD STRUGGLING GONE!!!!!) after this regional business completely collapsed. I too was nearly bankrupt. Guess what happened. China, to help its neighbour recover, promised NO DEVALUATION OF THE CHINESE RMB,. China KEPT ITS WORDS AND TAKE THE PUNISHMENT OF SOME LOST OF ITS INTERNATIONAL COMPETITIVENESS TO HELP ITS NEIGHBOURS AND THE WORLD ECONOMY TO STABILISE AND RECOVER.

If China really wants to manipulate its currency to keep it artificially low and make Chinese exports overly competitive in world markets, IT WOULD GRAB THAT CHANCE IN 1997 AND DEVALUED ITS CURRENCY BY 30% OR MORE , just like Thailand, Korea and Indonesia. No one can argue with Chinese Government then because everyone else does so.

By not taking the easy and soft option of retaliatory devaluation, CHINA PROVED ITSELF TO BE A RESPONSIBLE AND CARING MEMBER OF THE INTERNATIONAL ECONOMIC COMMUNITY.

That gives me, my friends the chance to recover. All the 5 dragon economies have recovered strongly in this 10 years and now linked to China in an increasingly open but integrated economies linked by Free Trade Agreements. We benefit a lot from these good conduct of China, China benefit a lot too and so is the world trade and economy.

I will NEVER FORGET THIS FOR THE REST OF MY LIFE. China is and proved itself a very RESPONSIBLE MEMBER OF THE INTERNATIONAL ECONOMIC COMMUNITY. Tell me, Mr. Jason Ding, which other country made this kind of sacrifices and so much self-inflicted pain to help its neighbours in the hope of a better world for the long term of all????? I love China, she gave me a second life.

“According to John Knaus, a CIA officier, by 1957, Kham was in chaos. PLA reprisals against Khampa resistance fighters became increasingly brutal and included beatings, starving prisoners, and the repeated rape of prisoners' wives in front of them until they confessed. Monks and nuns were forced to have sex with each other and forcibly renounce their celebacy vows. After torture, these men and women were often killed.[49] Even monastic networks came to be used by guerilla forces to relay messages and hide rebels.[50] According to John Roberts II, a free-lance writer, by the late 1950s, the number of Tibetan freedom fighters numbered in the tens of thousands. The resistance, supported by the United States Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) under President Dwight D. Eisenhower, eventually spread to Lhasa, which had become crowded with refugees.[51]“

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invasion_of_Tibet_(1950%E2%80%931951)#cite_note-52

Above text is from Wiki. I put this here is because I could make sure that is not true.

1. PLA has very strict discipline, that's why PLA could defeat KMD army and also could fight against US in Korean War in the very poor weapon.

2. There is policy of “Well treating with captive”, if you ask the US captive in Korea war whether they got bad treatment.

3. Sex is the forbidden area for communist. If someone in PLA offends on this area, the punishment is very tough.

4. There is minority policy there. The treatment of captive could not be decided by lower level officer.

5. Tibet issue is still around the consideration.

6. But land reform has to be done according to the socialism movement.

Based on those reseans, the information is hardly believed by Chinese. Most probably is forged by those who ran to Lhasa to put more hate on Chinese government.

Understand the Red Army in 1935 was almost demised, the central Red Army was reduced to less than 40,000. And this Army at last won the civil war. This could at least tell you something. Where is the magic? If it is described as above, could you believe they could win the heart of the people?

“I will NEVER FORGET THIS FOR THE REST OF MY LIFE. China is and proved itself a very RESPONSIBLE MEMBER OF THE INTERNATIONAL ECONOMIC COMMUNITY. Tell me, Mr. Jason Ding, which other country made this kind of sacrifices and so much self-inflicted pain to help its neighbours in the hope of a better world for the long term of all????? I love China, she gave me a second life”

Lee,

I really admire your knowledge which I have learnt a lot from you. China has been really becoming more responsible on the international stage. That's what I have seen. Also I'm glad to see the young leaderships are very practical to deal with internal and external affairs. But their burdens are very heavy with so many problems to deal with.

Thanks for your understanding of China.

Jason Ding said:

“According to John Knaus, a CIA officier, by 1957, Kham was in chaos. PLA reprisals against Khampa resistance fighters became increasingly brutal and included beatings, starving prisoners, and the repeated rape of prisoners' wives in front of them until they confessed. Monks and nuns were forced to have sex with each other and forcibly renounce their celebacy vows. After torture, these men and women were often killed.[49] Even monastic networks came to be used by guerilla forces to relay messages and hide rebels.[50] According to John Roberts II, a free-lance writer, by the late 1950s, the number of Tibetan freedom fighters numbered in the tens of thousands. The resistance, supported by the United States Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) under President Dwight D. Eisenhower, eventually spread to Lhasa, which had become crowded with refugees.[51]”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invasion_of_Tibet_(1950%E2%80%931951)#cite_note-52

Above text is from Wiki. I put this here is because I could make sure that is not true.

1. PLA has very strict discipline, that's why PLA could defeat KMD army and also could fight against US in Korean War in the very poor weapon.

2. There is policy of “Well treating with captive”, if you ask the US captive in Korea war whether they got bad treatment.

3. Sex is the forbidden area for communist. If someone in PLA offends on this area, the punishment is very tough.

4. There is minority policy there. The treatment of captive could not be decided by lower level officer.

5. Tibet issue is still around the consideration.

6. But land reform has to be done according to the socialism movement.

Based on those reseans, the information is hardly believed by Chinese. Most probably is forged by those who ran to Lhasa to put more hate on Chinese government.

Understand the Red Army in 1935 was almost demised, the central Red Army was reduced to less than 40,000. And this Army at last won the civil war. This could at least tell you something. Where is the magic? If it is described as above, could you believe they could win the heart of the people?

Hi Jason Ding,

Those who know China would know that 90% of those who started out on the famous “Long March” fighting the Kuomintang never completed the end of the journey. Why did they followed the Communist under Mao leadership despite all the hardships and dangers. The uniting cause is virtues of humanity of common sharing of misery and common good for the distant future. The Kuomintang is American-supported and American-armed, big armies but mostly corrupted and lacking in discipline. Even Chiang Kai Shek was “kidnapped” by his own general to force him to negotiate with Mao - how amazing. Why not their other way around?? The PLA is a very disciplined and regimented force. Orders are very strict and even though they are third-rate army, they really whipped the living daylight of one battlefield victory after another and crashing through the 38 parallel in Korea against a far superior and better armed force led by US and so many UN countries.

American and UN prisoners of war has no place to run and hide among populations in China YET IT IS TRUE THAT THESE POWS ARE SO WELL TREATED THAT AT THE END OF THE WAR,many returnees were very bitter against their own government for sending them into war. Most POWs are just glad to be home alive and usually hate their captors. In Korean war episode, returning POWs hate their own governments!!! Even the American military were shocked by men in uniform returning from captivity hate their national flag. No country treat foreign POWs with the degree and extent of kindness that China treats its captives. You see that even in recent years. Remember the US spy plane collision with a Chinese fighter plane just off Hainan island. Instead of concentrating efforts on rescuing its own downed Chinese pilot, the other Chinese fighter plane escorted and guided the damaged US spy plane to land safely on an airfield on Hainan island. Again, they were wel looked after - no physical force was used on any American captives and they were all released unharm. And how did the American treated their POWs in Iraq, just look at the damming revelations of ill-treatment and mistreatment of Iraqi civilian suspects at Abu Ghraib. Disgraceful human rights abuse. And what about Guantanamou and Berkgram airforce base in Afghanistan.

No one in the right sense of mind would believe what the CIA officer said in 1957. He was there in Tibet on a subversive military and political objective, so how can he says anything good of the Chinese military or China other than being the propaganda mouthpiece of the US Government. The simple logic is this, Jason Ding - if you come into my house without my provocation, have you not calculated in your mind what devious objective you seek in coming in to attack me when i live peacefully?? If your intention is devious, can i expect kind words from you other than complete falsehoods to justify your subversive aggression? You re not even prepared to openly come in and confront me in a fair fight!! This is the same kind of deceptions and demonising of the the enemy before attacking them - Vietnam, Iraq and in the case of Korean War, bombing Chinese territory for nearly a month to cause provocation.

The world must be all born fools to believe the words of John Knaus, a CIA officier. He was a CIA officer, not a peace mediator or the International Red Cross trying to rescue POWs.

Jason Ding said:

Foarp,

This note I want to tell al the time. You seems hate the communist so much. All the current problems in China you ascribed to the problems of communist.

Actually many current problems are not the co- product of communist. It's actually the problem of capitalisam at its first stage.

The problem of socialism is it can not inspire people's work enthusiasm, resulting in poverty. The moral is quite ok. Take a look at North Korea, it still looks like that. The system is not suitable for the human nature.

But capitalism at the first stage is on the other side, both negative and positive of human nature come up. No corresponding system to control it very well. Then the problems came up correspondingly. It's due to the greedy and lust of human nature. So you should not blame communist. Communism is the perfect idea, but unable to fulfill at current status due to human's nature.

The problems that China experienced are those of system transformation.

Prostitute: There were no prostitute from 1949 to 1980s. It started after reform and openess.

Bribery: No one dare to do that in the past. If one accepted very lower money like 10yuan, he could be sentenced for 10 years. After reform, it became an issue.

Unbalanced development, relentless competition are other problems. The life of those who possesses less skill and knowledge are really hard. That's the problem that government need to be solved urgently.

To lead a country like that, is really very very hard. We should give government more time to make improvement. We have seen the government making progress. Step by Step, stable and stable forward. Only that we could solve more problems concretely.

optimism is always better than pessimism.

Jason Ding,

I tell you why so many Western countries treat China like an enemy. Jason, open up your eyes to real history. NO COUNTRY FROM A MARXIST POLITICAL IDEOLOGY HAS BROUGHT ECONOMIC SALVATION TO ITS PEOPLE - all communist states failed miserably in terms of bringing good lives to its people - including the once powerful Soviet Union. The Soviet Union was the only other superpower capable of challenging American and European (through Nato) supremacy militarily until Gorbachev's perestroika. We saw the disintegration of Yugoslavia, Soviet Union and even Czhechoslovakia (now into slovenia, Czech Republic etc), the Warsaw Pact - capitalism and democractic institutions seems triumphed over the “evils” of communism. The only one that did not disintegrate is China. Guess what happened. The late Deng Xiao Ping, genius as he was, changed the equation - a good cat is one that catches the mice, never mind is black or white. Now communism works wonders. China opened up and reformed its economic system. Then came the BOOM we see today. The West woke up, in just one generation, China uplifted itself from a 3rd world economy to a first world manufacturing powerhouse . Wow THAT IS DANGEROUS to many in the west, NOW WE GOT A VERY SUCCESSFUL MODEL OF COMMUNISM THAT IS GOING TO BE AN ECONOMIC SUPERPOWER. Czech republic also boom. Russia, also a communist state, is also reforming and following China, india too. THE WORLD HAS CHANGED. What would happened to the western supremacy and domination IF TWO COMMUNIST GIANTS TURNED SUPERECONOMIC POWERHOUSE AND YET RETAINED A POLITICAL IDEOLOGY THAT IS DIAMMETRICALLY OPPOSED TO DEMONCRATIC INSTITUTIONS SO FAITHFULLY WORSHIPPED IN WASHINGTON, PARIS, BONN, AND CANBERRA?? The Western democractic model is besotted with seemingly insurmountable problems of unemployment, social disintegration, street violence, drunkardness, political turmoil elections after elections - in other words growing signs of fatigue and failure of unbridled capitalism and hypocrisy of democracy. Communism is making a SUCCESSFUL COMEBACK FROM THE DEAD IT SEEMS AND IT MUST BE DISRUPTED OF ITS PEACEFUL DEVELOPMENT GOALS. i speak from the mind of a businessman who suddenly find communism is the place to make money, and improve the welfare of the population. Democracy and capitalism as in historical past is decaying. China, Russia and India, Japan will lead the way. If the west wants to retain supremacy, CHINA MUST BE STOPPED AND ITS DEVELOPMENT EFFORTS DISRUPTED.

As for bribery and corruption - this is another big hoax. A businessman giving bribe to corrupt official in any communist country pays 100% out of his own pocket to get maybe some favourable economic assistance in carrying out his business. In the democratic country, a businessman give POLITICAL DONATION to political parties to get policies changed to help him do his business and profit BUT THERE IS A BIG DIFFERENCE HERE. In democractic countries, political donation are legitimate business expenses and therefore can be deducted from profit before the net profit is taxed by the state. So if I give political donation in the west (they call it bribery if i do it in China), the tax men helped me pay part of my bribery costs of doing business. The costs of bribery is less painful on my personal pocket but the benefit is the same. So what is the difference in corruption in China and in the West. One (in China) is honest, the other one in the west is hypocritical and even cheating the tax men. Jason Ding, tell me which one is more immoral?? It is a bit like someone from the religious world paying a prostitute for sex and telling the world prostitution is shameful or immoral - good religious preaching but these will fell on my deaf ears

Jason Ding said:

@Forp

http://discussions.pbs.org/viewtopic.pbs?t=68073

Mr. Jones may give you more answers at this bbs. They discussed Tibet issue 1 year ago.

Jason Ding, tragedy most unkindly and unworthingly struck your beloved motherland yesterday. Of my China-enriched history, this is the worse moment of my living experience. For a nation which gave so much to me, Asia in particular post-1997/1998 currency crisis, these are moments of deep indebtedness of memory of what she and her people are going through now. What more can me and my business associates say? We are really sad , deeply hurt but cannot be there to help. Sorry… hope your country’s pain is less excruciating as it moves forward.

LI.

Who exactly are you addressing in this post? Are you speaking to me, the author, or to some other posters on this forum? Please clarify

Robert Vance

Hello H. Li,

First off, thank you for your post. Your points are well made. I do want to tell you that the post that you are referring to regarding the Anti-CNN Website was written in April. We just made some changes to our website and for a few days, there were no dates on the posts that were made. That article has been out for some weeks now. At the time of the posting, we knew a little less about the website than we know now.

There is no question, as you indicate, that Tibetan people do have some special privileges. You mentioned the fact that the 1 child policy does not apply to Tibetans. I also know that Tibetans are not subject to the same academic standards as Han Chinese are when they are applying to go to the university.

Nevertheless, I am afraid that these special benefits which are afforded to the Tibetan minority have come at a great cost to the Tibetan culture. Did the Tibetans ask for these privileges? Did they ask for the economic development that has been handed down to them by the government? Did they ask for a train that would connect their province to the rest of China? So what if the government gives them a little extra help? They are losing their culture; they are losing their identity. No amount of government relief can change the fact that their culture is being swept away by the waves of Han Chinese who have and are moving into the area.

You write that “more than 90% of the populations are Hans, they are defined as chinese.” Actually, that statistic is a government statistic and is widely disputed around the world. There are varous reports which suggest that the Han Chinese became the majority in Tibet quite a while ago. Of course, since only the government has the true numbers, no one really knows who is the majority in that region.

If you read my other posts on this website, you will find that I have never suggested that Tibet is not a part of China. In fact, I don't know of any Western government recently which has said otherwise. When I was in Tibet, I considered myself to still be in China. However, what bothers me is that Tibet is supposed to be an autonomous province. Instead, the Chinese Government has tightened its grip on this province and controls important aspects of society such as religion and what the Tibetans can or cannot talk about. When I was there two years ago, there were times when I felt like I was in a police state.

Calling the Dalai Lama “a clown” and a “hypocrite” is no way to reach out to your Tibetan brothers and sisters. You and many other people in China show that you really have very little respect for the Tibetan culture when you make comments like these. It is no wonder that the Tibetan people resent the Han Chinese culture so much. All I hear is constant disrespect and insults towards a man that many Tibetans consider to be their spiritual leader.

Li said,

Some people compared tibetans and the indians in US, and said chinese government is much better than the US government.it is an ugly reply.

Robert says: Yes, that is everyone's 'comeback' in China when you bring up the issue of Tibet. The American Indians have nothing to do with this. Just because America did something many years ago doesn't mean China has the right to do it now.

Li said,

As a university staff, I visit abroad for academic research activities frequently. So I confirm that I browse all popular western media like you, but you seldom read chinese media. It is the truth that the media in china is controlled under government, but it doesn't mean it is nothing but junk. I am confident that we chinese have much better understanding than you.

Robert says: I live in China. How do you think I can run this website if I don't read or listen to the Chinese media? Your assumption is unfair. I do reguarly read 'both sides of the story.' If you “browse all popular Western media” then I congratulate you. You are a step ahead of most Chinese people that I know.

Li said,

For your issues on tibetans, such as railway, education… …, please go to check other mountainous area in China, you will get to know most hans there live the same life as tibetans. The population in Tibet is still very sparse. China is still a developing country with a large population. If I disgree with you, you just said my brain gets bleached by chinese government, or cheated by the chinese media. Please go to china, and go to those mountainous areas, then you will feel very funny because you will find it's you whose brain gets bleached.

Robert says: I have traveled extensively in China. I have traveled through the mountainous regions. I know what it is like. I will only say that your brain has been bleached if you don't bother to read other sources of information. If you do read other news sources (outside of China) then I can't say that you have been brainwashed.

Li says:

Even you have no interests in verifying whether your issues are correct or not by visiting china, If you are objective, you should not ask such question like who is behind anti-cnn, etc. You will consider all puzzles on the same table, you should go to contact those chinese beside you, you will try to get all kind of informations, you will respect those casulties in the tibetan riots (do you think they got killed by chinese government?, they can never tell you any truth anymore.) you will worry about all those fading vestige removed by chinese modernization.

Robert Vance: If you bothered to read any of the other posts I have made on this site, you would find realize that I DO live in China. Take a look at this site, my friend. Does it look like it is run by someone who doesn't live in China?

Li said,

Are you interested in the Tibetan Buddhism? you should go to visit Tibet. Dalai is not God, he even say nothing to his tibetan people in earthquake, and got blamed by some western media recently. he is only a representive of one Tibetan Buddhism branch. If you say there is no Tibetan Buddhism in China, you have been infatuated in the personal worship of Dalai.The region attacked by the Sichuan earthquake also includes one part for tibetan riots, hans are minority there. All people there have got help and well settled down. These days my colleges are there as postulants.

Robert Vance: Apparently, you do not read through my posts very well. I have already told you that I have spent time in Tibet. How many times do I need to tell you that before you will believe me? Have you been there? When you go you will find that no one talks about the Dalai Lama because everyone is afraid of being thrown in jail for just mentioning his name.

Li said,

Go to ask 100 chinese in western society, you will find most of them are in favour of my points. I am sorry if my words insult you. I feel you are a very nice person, so I sepnd much time here. thanks for your patience.

China is open for any person in the world. Go to have a look before making any conclusion by own intuition.

Robert: Going to ask 100 Chinese people in Western society will be a waste of time. I don't expect Chinese people to suddenly change their views just because they step foot in the United States. They are still Chinese.

Again, I am living in Chinese. I have traveled throughout the land. I do have a right to come to a conclusion because I know this culture better than you think.