@Guy,

Falungong should be a religion and should be involved in politics. Actually it’s far from that. It acted as real politic force against the Chinese government. So it already violated its original purpose. Most of the people in China got their harassed. My home phone and mobile phone was called by them occasionlly, accusing the chinese government. TV station broadcast was interrupted by them several times. Also my email was harrassed by them too. That’s really a bunch of crazy people.

Please don’t treat “HuJia” as purely the volunteer for AIDS assistant. He is the polictical guy already. Have you seen what he wrote to Merkel? He talked as if he were the representative of the whole Chinese people, viewing on the Tibet issue. Actually he has no such kind of right.
I really doubt his motive for those kinds of action. Some chinese people are really utilizing this action to be famous and to be the way of going abroad with a richer life. Perhaps this is real shortcut because they could win immediately simpathy and support from western country which is enough to make them rich and the risk is really low because they could claim “their sick here and there” and soon or later to be medical treatment abroad. I have already heard such “illness” story about Hujia.
I bet someday you will see him in US and the reason he is in US to be treated for his illness. That’s all of models of current Chinese dissedents.
Those “smart” people are taking this kind of advantages. The more you presented to high level western leader, the more you are safer and easier to reach personal aim.

@Guy,

There should be a judgement about those wrong doing. The former Bosnia leader Karadzic Herzegvena was now arrested and delivered to international court. Why not we don’t bring George W. Bush and Tony Blair to the international court to be senteneced there to see if they have crime or not. That’s the fair for those who committed the war. Those who declared the wrong war should be senteneced for the criminal of anti-anthropy? It’s not just a complain. UK people should send Blair to prison, that’s the right way to ease the pain of those who died in this war and is continuing to suffer the war result.

It carried out numerous attacks on Serbian police, army, and civilian targets, and set up roadblocks in the countryside. By May 1998, it effectively controlled a quarter of the province, centered on the region of Drenica; its stronghold was located in the village of Prekaz.[citation needed]

Here is from the Wiki, you could see KLA attacked the serbian civilians. KLA was supported by western countries. Is that the double standard?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kosovo_Liberation_Army

The KLA fought against local police and also attacked Serbian civilians. However, the Western media mainly reported Serbian attacks against “Kosovo-Albanians” and largely ignored the actions of KLA-fighters. The KLA was later many times protected by the KVM, Kosovo Verification Mission. The KLA was also equipped with satellite mobile phones to coordinate their actions. During the war they directed NATO bombers to bridges and other targets in Kosovo. [8]

As I mentioned there is a thin line between a terrorist and a freedom fighter. I have no doubt that the US has some elements that support Uighur separatists as they consider their reasons to be just. However some of them have been taken to Guantanemo bay and interrogated by both US and Chinese officials. There seems to be no evidence raised up by them that they are associated with Bin Laden. However the US is now in the situation that although they have been found to have no relationship with Bin Laden, they can’t give them back to China as they would be tortured or worse if they are sent back, so some of them still languish in Guantanemo bay and some have been given asylum in the US. One countries freedom fighter is another countries terrorist. From the Chinese perspective they would be classified as terrorists, in the same way that the IRA, or Basque separatists were considered terrorists by the UK and Spain. However other countries like the US did not consider them in the same way and this is one reasons why some groups in the US or other countries would support them. If you have some clear evidence or proof as to how the US is funding them then please let us know.

As I have argued before if you consider that historically those areas were not part of China you can understand why the US might want to pursue such a strategy, however the best way to do this would be through discussion however as we all know that is not something China is willing to consider. Autonomy was promised for these regions but do the people in those areas have full autonomy from Beijing, I would say no.

I also seriously doubt that if Bin Laden turned his focus on China, the US would just turn away from the fight they have been having.

Yugung,

US has given itself the task of determining who are freedom fighters and who are terrorists with disregard for political boundaries regognized by the UN. That’s the unfortunate situation today. Where is suit them they create conflict .Until the misery reaches Washington they will not stop. US will get what they ask for.

As I mentioned there is a thin line between a terrorist and a freedom fighter. I have no doubt that the US has some elements that support Uighur separatists as they consider their reasons to be just. However some of them have been taken to Guantanemo bay and interrogated by both US and Chinese officials. There seems to be no evidence raised up by them that they are associated with Bin Laden. However the US is now in the situation that although they have been found to have no relationship with Bin Laden, they can’t give them back to China as they would be tortured or worse if they are sent back, so some of them still languish in Guantanemo bay and some have been given asylum in the US. One countries freedom fighter is another countries terrorist. From the Chinese perspective they would be classified as terrorists, in the same way that the IRA, or Basque separatists were considered terrorists by the UK and Spain. However other countries like the US did not consider them in the same way and this is one reasons why some groups in the US or other countries would support them. If you have some clear evidence or proof as to how the US is funding them then please let us know.

As I have argued before if you consider that historically those areas were not part of China you can understand why the US might want to pursue such a strategy, however the best way to do this would be through discussion however as we all know that is not something China is willing to consider. Autonomy was promised for these regions but do the people in those areas have full autonomy from Beijing, I would say no.

I also seriously doubt that if Bin Laden turned his focus on China, the US would just turn away from the fight they have been having.

Hi Jason

I am not sure why you seem so certain that the KLA are terrorists, from what I could read they were focusing specifically on Military not civilian targets. In addition from when it was first set up they were also promised things like autonomy which were then reneged upon by the government. Kind of sounds like Tibet again.

So how does this show that Europe has a double standard against terrorism?

As I have mentioned before in many cases where innocent civilians are being killed by the military something should be done to solve this issue. Was it genocide? Probably as certainly it seems that there was some systematic killing of locals, but if hundreds of innocent civilians are being murdered without reason I would certainly call that a massacre. When civilians are killed at a school by some nut with a gun this is also called a massacre. There doesn’t appear to be a double standard in this.

You are right the UK also went to war in Iraq, and as I have stated before I believe the initial reasons given were wrong, this is also why many British people have complained about the situation in Iraq. You don’t see them getting put in prison for it though. What about Finland, Sweden, Switzerland, Austria, all of these are democracies. They also function very well. Regarding your other points, as I have mentioned before there comes a time when if people are being killed other people should stand up and say no, this is not right, and if necessary do something about it. It is unfortunate that normally many Chinese don’t tend to think this way. “It is none of my business that this is happening,” so I will just ignore it. It is more a case of so long as it doesn’t affect me I will do nothing. That is one reason democracy cannot work in China at the moment. You have to generally care about everyone from the poorest to the very rich. Not just the people you know.

As I also mentioned about Tibet, if the government actually allowed a proper investigation of what has happened in Tibet by independent groups and allowed it to be published this could then be used immediately by the government to stop the evil dalai Clique from lying about the 1 million plus who have died or disappeared under CCP rule. But then maybe the reason why they don’t allow this and don’t allow foreign groups to report on Tibet is because maybe, just maybe what the dalai Lama is saying is true and the evil is perpetuated by the CCP. Maybe they are lying to you. After all we all know that Chinese government statistics are pretty inaccurate to say the least. After all why won’t they publish how many people were killed during the great leap forward, or the cultural revolution, or any of the other CCP led initiatives. German Children are told at an early age what happened in Germany and how many died. Why is this not taught by the schools in China?

Regarding the issue on religion, I see no reason why anyone should state what they believe in or not. Something’s the government should be informed about it, but the role of the government is to serve the people, it doesn’t need to know every aspect of a persons life. Trying to micromanage every aspect of a person’s life is impossible and causes a lot of resentment. Religion and government should be separate; as such the government should have no say in how a religion operates unless it is breaking the basic laws of the country. The government should have no right to interfere in the private affairs of any citizen.

As for not attacking the government what do you define as attacking the government? If your government is doing something wrong any person should have the right to complain to the government about it without fear of persecution. I have no real knowledge of Falong Gong, being agnostic I don’t really care what people believe but they should have the right to believe and practice what they want so long as it doesn’t hurt others. I think the main issue with Falong Gong is that the CCP sees it as a threat to its hold on power, hence the reason why it must always make the decisions as to who can do what. It doesn’t want to lose that control to anyone. I think to be honest most Chinese really have no real understanding of Falong Gong. All that they know is that they are bad, but if you ask why the reason given is the government line. There are very few people who can really describe in detail what Falong Gong is or what they do. I have never heard anyone state that they have been harassed by them at all. Ignoring all that though, maybe as you are stating Falong Gong is not good for people but Falong gong is not the only religion that is being controlled. What about other religions such as Catholicism?

“3 - Why do you need to register your beliefs with the government. Likewise why should the government dictate that you love your country. ”

So why cannot the government ask them to registry? Government is to administrate the whole sociaty, it’s their duty. Is there any loss for those believer?
The government ask to love the country mostly means that you could do anything on your religion but don’t involve in political issues. Don’t attack the government. I think it’s correct.
Why is this necessary? Because the government knows such kind of issue. Like Falung gong, what they are doing now is not just simply as a religon, it’s politic. All of the believers are controled by Lihongzhi, it’s very dangerous. You may ask Chinese people if they like Falunggong, most of them hated them. We have been harassed by them in every channel, from email, mobile phone message, from phone call, from TV interruption. They are really crazy persons.

So from the government point of view, that’s necessary method. I could see most of Chinese people think that’s proper. That’s people’s will. You may ask more Chinese people to see what’s their thoughts.

@guy,

Actually US went far away from “democracy”. But look at UK. It involved in Iraq war too and provided the wrong intellegent information intetionly or intentionless.
NATO fought the Kosovo war without UN permission. European countries didn’t tell the whole history of Tibet. Lies about “100,000″ massacre happened in Kosovo. Helping Dalai blaming Chinese government of so called million massacre. “Double standard about terrorist” according to their own interesting. Is this the real democracy system that China needs?

The same technical are now applied on Tibet issue. Just boasted the situation such as massacre, genocide. That’s the freedom of western media did for Kosovo. Following is also from Wiki. And that’s why how Dalai learned to boast 1million massacre because he learned how to win the sympathy from Westeners, Lies is the best way.

“Some critics have accused the coalition of leading a war in Kosovo under the false pretense of genocide.[27] President Clinton of the United States, and his administration, were accused of inflating the number of Kosovar Albanians killed by Serbians.[28] Clinton’s Secretary of Defense William Cohen, giving a speech, said, “The appalling accounts of mass killing in Kosovo and the pictures of refugees fleeing Serb oppression for their lives makes it clear that this is a fight for justice over genocide.”[29] On CBS’ Face the Nation Cohen claimed, “We’ve now seen about 100,000 military-aged men missing… they may have been murdered.”[30] Clinton, citing the same figure, spoke of “at least 100,000 (Kosovar Albanians) missing”.[31] Later, talking about Yugoslav elections, Clinton said, “they’re going to have to come to grips with what Mr. Milošević ordered in Kosovo… they’re going to have to decide whether they support his leadership or not; whether they think it’s OK that all those tens of thousands of people were killed…”. Clinton also claimed, in the same press conference, that “NATO stopped deliberate, systematic efforts at ethnic cleansing and genocide.”[32] Clinton compared the events of Kosovo to the Holocaust. CNN reported, “Accusing Serbia of ‘ethnic cleansing’ in Kosovo similar to the genocide of Jews in World War II, an impassioned President Clinton sought Tuesday to rally public support for his decision to send U.S. forces into combat against Yugoslavia, a prospect that seemed increasingly likely with the breakdown of a diplomatic peace effort.”[33] Clinton’s State Department also claimed Yugoslav troops had committed genocide. The New York Times reported, “the Administration said evidence of ‘genocide’ by Yugoslav forces was growing to include ‘abhorrent and criminal action’ on a vast scale. The language was the State Department’s strongest yet in denouncing Yugoslav President Slobodan Milošević.”[34] The State Department also gave the highest estimate of dead Albanians. The New York Times reported, “On April 19, the State Department said that up to 500,000 Kosovar Albanians were missing and feared dead.”[35]“

Sorry for my late reply. I will discuss you with other items later. Concerning about the Kosovo war, the more I read, the more I found that KLA should be really condemned with the strong support by NATO. Classified KLA as terrorist is correct, but those democracy countries fully bolsterred their development.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kosovo_War

Obviously Europe has double standard concerning about terrorist. Now by using the same concept for Xinjiang issue.

I could see some steps always similar
1. First try to propaganda for forging the ethnic conflicts which are as just normal small issues happened everywhere. I have seen these
2. Support the separatists, giving fund and radio, we have these for tibetan and Uighurs by UK and Germany.
3. Created more conflicts, more death between ethnics, more propoganda blamed the countries.
4. International involvement for peacekeeping, the peacekeeping is only to suppress one side and support the other side as those happened in Kosovo.
5. Independence from the original countries.

Why did those steps so similar?